Is Russia behind the war in Ukraine?
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Round 2: Opening Argument
Round 3: Rebuttal
Round 4: Closing Statement
My position in this debate is completely against.As we know today in Ukraine there is war.More precisely civil war between west and east Ukraine. Russia is not behind this and as an alternative it is the only country which trying to help the Ukrainian people.
Finally Yanukovych was convincing to flee on February 21. And what happened after that? The oligarchs replaced by fascist oligarchs. Copying the Maidan protest groups of local Donbass(the east Ukraine) citizens already in February began to occupy government buildings, calling for a referendum on the region's autonomy and possibly its secession and annexation to Russia. These groups were initially unarmed, they were demanding local autonomy from the central government which banned the Russian language in the country.
Kiev's reaction only confirmed the worst fears of the Donbass population. Kiev almost immediately declared the protesters "terrorists" and launched a so-called "anti-terrorist operation" against them. There was no desire for negotiation, but to crush militarily. And since the Ukrainian army was a mess and didnt want fight its own people, the government created and armed a National Guard, consisting of poorly trained volunteers that included ultra-nationalists and neo-fascists.Until today there is genocide of civilians in south-east of Ukraine and the "West" (U.S., EU, NATO) bears a heavy responsibility for its unflinching support and encouragement of the Ukrainian government . Furthmore the West has supported or even created the propaganda of the Kiev government. That propaganda portrays the Russian government as solely responsible for the conflict and is silent about Kiev's own irreconcilability, its serious war crimes against the non-combatant population of Donbass and the serious economic suffering it is imposing on the entire population.In Ukraine, now there is a realization of the West plan to destroy Russia. And Ukraine is most likely a consequence, not a cause. The reason is Russia. Everything is done in order to have close to Russian borders Russophobian state that hate everything Russian, the history, sharing the secular living. Next to Russia should be friendly country, BUT they want Russophobian state.
It is quite obvious that since the fall of the USSR, the U.S.,being supported from Europe, aiming to limit the Russia's geopolitical influence and at surrounding it with unfriendly states. Despite promises made to Mikhail Gorbachev, these states have been integrated into NATO, from which Russia is excluded. That has been the West's policy in Ukraine. The EU's association proposal, which was at the origins of this crisis and which deeply divided country to choose between Europe and Russia.Think logically the only country who gain from this war is America.And is not the first time.
From your argument i got that you support Russia's involvement in the annexation of Crimea. The West condemn this issue as a hypocritical and imperialist aggression but, you didnt see in the News? The vast majority of the population of Crimea, (over 93%)which never felt itself to be Ukrainian, was happy, many even overjoyed, with the annexation. Local Crimean governments have wanted as far back as 1992, only to be rebuffed by Russia. In every national election, Crimeans have voted overwhelmingly for pro-Russian Ukrainian parties. Putin has not explained the annexation in terms of geopolitical interest but the duty to protect Russian populations outside Russia's borders.Maybe it is lie,but what is the most important in this case?Better life for the Crimea's people.Surelly they are in better situation than Ukraine and their economy improved eventually.
Yes you are right it is a large naval base in Crimea which was existed in the years 1976-1996 and reconstructed in 2014. Back in time it was Soviet Union base and they had all the rights to use their property as they wished.Now again Crimea is Russia,so it is officially russian territory,russian army and russian military base.Every country has that and i dont see nothing wrong in that.
Though,to have military base in other country, it needs to have permission of that country.For example US has base overseas in many countries,the reason is avoid war and bring peace. :-D
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My conclusion is that my opponent shows no facts, he denounced my arguments showing no proof I was wrong. In the end I see no reasons why Putin an ex-KGB agent of the great Soviet Union would not want his country to be powerful again, the KGB were virtually secret police only strong nationalist would join. He also played the same game in Georgia.
"Putin defends the Soviet-era intelligence service to this day. In recent comments to a writers' group in Moscow, he even seemed to excuse its role in dictator Joseph Stalin's brutal purges, saying it would be "insincere" for him to assail the agency where he worked for so many years. Fiercely patriotic, Putin once said he could not read a book by a Soviet defector because "I don't read books by people who have betrayed the Motherland."
(the above post is the third paragraph down, first link)
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