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Is Snowden a hero?

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Started: 1/1/2014 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Letsdebate24

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If you accept this debate you will be trying to prove that what Snowden did was an act of treason and that whatever he revealed to the public was irrelevant to whether or not he did the right thing.
WyattGOP

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Snowden released major government secrets. No matter what he released it is still considered treason. For example, let's say the US government is making a new type of bacon. If someone were to release the secret bacon it would still be treason because you betrayed your government. Also, he released document pertaining to Angelina Merkel. About how the US government is spying on her cell phone. Since he released we could have lost our partnership with Germany which would be a big loss. If allies know you are spying on them it may turn into a war. They have secrets for a reason.
Debate Round No. 1
Letsdebate24

Pro

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism
Thomas Jefferson

The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
J.F.K

Don't forget that when Americas founders left Britain to establish their own colonies it was considered an act of treason but if that act had not taken place we would still be under the rule of another land. This country was established with the right to commit dissent because there was no right do so in Britain, they did not have the freedom to speak against the crown. So the government was allowed to do whatever they wished with no opposition from the people for fear of being put to death. Our founders made it very clear that the government was to answer to the people hence the phrase

When the people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fears the people there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

These quotes are from former presidents that believed in a government with transparency.
WyattGOP

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When people fear the government people can be civilized-
Every smart person on the planet...Ok maybe not all of them

You just don't go around telling government secrets. It is making America paranoid and now other people are questioning their own governments. It is creating an international a ripple effect that may incite war. Plus Snowden could be not telling the entire truth. Also, they only spy on people that they have reason to spy on.
Debate Round No. 2
Letsdebate24

Pro

They can be civilized? Tell me if murder were legal would you just go around killing people? Hopefully not. People in Britain also feared their government and it led to Americas founders leaving. We should not have to live in fear of our government. You seem to be under the misconception that the government is infallible and not susceptible to corruption or greed. As history has taught us that is not at all the case!
It should indeed make Americans paranoid to know what their own government has been doing under the vale of secrecy. Our government has committed atrocious crimes with zero accountability but then they would prosecute us to the fullest extent of the law for the same thing. How is that justice? Snowden released videos of our own soldiers raping women and children and then torturing others. Our President has justified murdering any civilian they deem necessary for any reason they see fit without due process or a trial. Typically you have to show evidence of a crime before the punishment comes. Snowden only released documents that were once only seen by government officials. As I said before in a court of law you have to present evidence of a crime before a punishment can be determined but our government is under the impression they are above the law. Hitler believed the same thing which gave rise to the attempted genocide of the Jews.
WyattGOP

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WyattGOP forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Letsdebate24

Pro

Does that mean your thinking of new ways to debate the topic or do you forfeit altogether?
WyattGOP

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WyattGOP forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
Letsdebate24

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Don't take a 5 round debate if you cant make it to the third
WyattGOP

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WyattGOP forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by zendown 2 years ago
zendown
Finalfan:
Perhaps Snowden just wanted to "get out of the office" and this is really some sort of bizarre but treatable work disorder. Or perhaps Snowden was hypnotized and brainwashed by Red Chinese psycho-software after they infiltrated his NSA computer.
Posted by zendown 2 years ago
zendown
Letsdebate24: I am in the complete agreement with your viewpoint here. Funny how the people who see themselves as great defenders of god and country are so willing to trash the very foundation of the country they defend. The more blind followers of "our government is always right" there are, the more the government can get away with anything. It is a perfect paradigm for power abuse. All those supporting the government are "heros" or true "patriots"... all those who question are treasonous enemies of the state. Woops! I believe I just sort of defined totalitarianism.
Posted by Finalfan 2 years ago
Finalfan
letsdebate24: I like how your mind works. Finally someone who can think outside of the box.
Posted by Finalfan 2 years ago
Finalfan
If Snowden is a criminal we should punish him by making hime listen to calls for the NSA aka the most boring job in the world!
Posted by zendown 2 years ago
zendown
There is a high probability the US government violated Constitutional law. Snowden took an oath to uphold the Constitution, not defend an administration. He may have simply reported a crime. If Snowden sold or divulged methodology to a sworn enemy of the US, then perhaps treason is an appropriate label for his actions. So far however it seems he has sacrificed and suffered greatly only to expose a violation of "a reasonable expectation of privacy" provided in our Constitution. Logically, NO PRIVACY, would be obviously advantageous for national security. The argument of national security will always be used as a justification to erode rights. So the questions remains: what level of privacy will US citizens settle with? Are we prepared to relinquish our rights to privacy to a government who in turn has the new power to interpret our communications and prosecute us for that interpretation? Is ANY digital communication private? Are these people really so superior, without corruption, and so trustworthy for us to turn over our rights to them? We must remember the lessons of our past. Corruption and a thirst for power is inevitable in any endeavor involving humans. In almost every case it has been justified by claiming security, protection, and for the better good.
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