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Is US doing more harm or good to stop ISIS

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Started: 4/20/2015 Category: Politics
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Mags2

Pro

Pro = good & con= harm. First round will be acceptance
bman7720

Con

I accept and will argue that the US is doing more harm in the fight to stop ISIS than good.
Debate Round No. 1
Mags2

Pro

ISIS is the type of terrorist group that will not be stopped in a year or so, but the attacks that the US or causing will surely stop ISIS. During the State of the Union, President Obama made a claim that the war against ISIS. "In Iraq and Syria," the President said, "American leadership " including our military power " is stopping [ISIS]'s advance."

"But Obama's more modest claim " that ISIS's advance in the two countries has been seriously slowed and America deserves (some) credit " is correct. The American strategy is far from perfect, and the gains it has produced aren't necessarily permanent, but Obama is right to say that it's helped beat ISIS back. (1)"

America's strategy has been remarkably successful! Since all of the airstrikes began, US and allied bombs have made it difficult for ISIS to mass its troops in the open. That makes it hard for the group to orchestrate large-scale offensives. Airstrikes have also blown up ISIS oil facilities, making it harder for the group to raise cash.

Cites:
(1) http://www.vox.com...
bman7720

Con

Let's look at the first reason we have this problem. ISIS and other terrorist organizations that America is spending millions to fight were armed by the CIA[1]. During the Civil War era, the CIA aligned with the extremist Islamic State and armed them in order to defend against Soviet forces. I am not claiming that America has not produced any good outcomes, but there are definitely more negative effects.

America is in an economic crisis, not as bad as Europe with their negative interest rates, and we continue to spend money that we simply don't have. Millions of tax dollars are being spent to fight a group that we created, breaking the Geneva Conventions by doing so[2]. By June, 2011, the costs of this war on terror were about $5 Trillion[3]. $16,000 per American citizen, to put that into perspective. $16,000 could go into funding education, prisons, and homeland facilities. America is fighting overseas when we have failed to solve our problems here.

Now, I do accept that we are too far into the ISIS issue to pull out, but that does not change that we have caused several hardships. In the war on terror alone, 133,000 Iraq civilians have been killed by direct violent[4], 21,000 Afghan civilians[5], 20,000-5,000 Pakistani civilians[6]. These civilians died because of armed warfare, and greatly surpasses the 2,296 casualties in the 9/11 bombings.

[1] http://www.globalresearch.ca...
[2] https://www.law.cornell.edu...
[3] http://nation.time.com...
[4] http://costsofwar.org...
[5] http://costsofwar.org...
[6] http://costsofwar.org...
Debate Round No. 2
Mags2

Pro

That's why the president has the State of The Union as a plan to tell America how their money will be spent. While we are spending money oversees, their are benefits from it. "As of today, March 5, 2015, the United States has spent over $2 billion to fight ISIS since June of last year " and that"s probably an underestimate, since Congress in December approved $5 billion in spending against ISIS for fiscal year 2015. President Obama has asked for an additional $5.3 billion for fiscal year 2016." (1) As you can see, America has a plan on how money will be spent on stopping isis, besides wouldn't you want to stop something before it becomes worse?

Think of all of the hardships ISIS has caused for us. "Approximately 4,000 Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks since 1970, including the atrocities of September 11, 2001. Since Yasser Arafat signed the Oslo Peace Accords in September 1993, at least 53 Americans have been murdered by Palestinian terrorism. The list does not include American servicemembers killed on active duty. (2)

Cites:
(1) https://www.nationalpriorities.org...
(2) https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
bman7720

Con

bman7720 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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