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ailishm99
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Kryptic
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Is being gay a sin?

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Kryptic
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/11/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ailishm99

Con

Being gay is certainly not a sin. If the Bible says so, the Bible is wrong. You can not choose if you are gay or not. And because God made all people, why would he make someone that is automatically born with a sin that not all people have? That's the thing, he wouldn't.
Kryptic

Pro

Regardless of the bibles authenticity, the question at hand is... is being gay a sin? You are asking the question... in the bible, does it state that homosexuality is a sin? The answer is yes, quite a few times in fact. You could argue that in different areas of the bible it is referring to the act of homosexuality but not directly to it. For example, I could say that a male raped another male, or a female raped another female. In these two cases homosexuality was present but was not the taboo topic. In a few cases it regards homosexuality as a sin but if you know what the scripture is about you will realise that it has to do with paedophilia or rape or abuse / assault. However you can not argue that being homosexual is valued as a sin in the bible.

In the book of genesis, we see Adam and Eve, when ever homosexuality is brought up, people will usually say 'well god didn't want adam and steve' and suggest how the first way is the correct way.
In the book of Leviticus it says homosexuality is wrong and gives a punishment suitable for the actions, it is stoning. Obviously on a moral level today we would do no such thing.

Another issue is that sodomy is also looked at as taboo as well as adultery, many people view sodomy as anal penetration and oral penetration in a sexual manner. Adultery is simply sex with out a marriage.
When people talk about homosexuals, they usually also add sodomy and adultery into the mix.

In conclusion. By the bibles standards, regardless of authenticity of the bible. Homosexuality is categorised as a sin.
Debate Round No. 1
ailishm99

Con

You can not prove that the Bible is a reliable source. So therefore you can cannot prove that being gay is a sin. The Bible could have been written by a person who made up all of this. We don't know if the Bible is true.
Kryptic

Pro

-Is being gay a sin?-

"You can not prove that the Bible is a reliable source. So therefore you can cannot prove that being gay is a sin. The Bible could have been written by a person who made up all of this. We don't know if the Bible is true."

Sin - Noun: an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.
Divine law - definition: Divine law is any law that comes directly from the will of God, in contrast to man-made law. Like natural law (which may be seen as a manifestation of divine law) it is independent of the will of man, who cannot change it.

I can't prove that Call of Duty is a reliable shooting game, but I can still get an achievement in it.
The bible does not have to be reliable for it to say it is a sin.
It just says it's a sin.

Genesis 19:5
Judges 19:22
Leviticus 18:21-22
Leviticus 20:13
Romans 1:27
Romans 1:26
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
1 Timothy 1:8-10

These scriptures are all against homosexuality. Therefore, by the bibles terms, homosexuality "IS" a sin. If you were well educated in theology, I would have a lot of fun debating you. But alas, perhaps another time. :)

If you want me to get the actual scriptures for them, I can in the next. I mean... this is going for 5 rounds.

Please, I want to enjoy this debate a little more. don't refute me with a sentence that isn't backed up by anything.
Debate Round No. 2
ailishm99

Con

A sin is something you do wrong, like hurting someone physically or mentally. How does a man loving a man, or a woman loving a women hurt someone. It is not bad.
Kryptic

Pro

"A sin is something you do wrong, like hurting someone physically or mentally. How does a man loving a man, or a woman loving a women hurt someone. It is not bad."

That would be breaking the law, when we talk about the law of god or the law of moses, or even the law of the old testament / old covenant, it is not talking about the law that we abide by in the secular world today.
In todays standards, you can be gay... todays standards doesn't follow the bibles standards.

Sin is literally only really used in religious context, some people put a modern twist to it and simply say if it's immoral or unethical then it is a sin. but that is not what a sin is. Did you know it was also a sin to eat pork on Fridays, eat crayfish and cut your beard? that doesn't mean it's not a sin. It literally says it is, therefore it is.

If you want to argue whether or not homosexuality should be allowed in this time and that the bible has it wrong... well most people already think this. I really don't understand your argument. You are suggesting that the bible doesn't class homosexuality as a sin, when it clearly does. And you are defining sin as something other than what the dictionary definition is. The definition of sin is...

Sin - Noun: an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.
Divine law - definition: Divine law is any law that comes directly from the will of God, in contrast to man-made law. Like natural law (which may be seen as a manifestation of divine law) it is independent of the will of man, who cannot change it.

It doesn't matter if god is real or not, or the bible is reliable or not, it says it is a sin.
I could argue that love isn't real, that morals and ethics is just the result of an educated and humble / kind mind. That doesn't mean we don't use it. People in those day had their moral compass from the bible, they were educated to the bible. So to them, homosexuality is a sin.

Now, whether or not people treated homosexuals with respect is another thing, I don't like how homosexuals are treated when being condemned, but that doesn't stop what the bible has to say about it.
Anyway, I hope I have cleared this up for you.
Debate Round No. 3
ailishm99

Con

ailishm99 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
ailishm99

Con

ailishm99 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Kryptic 2 years ago
Kryptic
you're talking to the wrong person lmao
Posted by thewiseguy1 2 years ago
thewiseguy1
Errrm....your very question on debate is a questionable.

I could of stated i qoute along the lines " we cant help what we are born with " you stated this...

Is this really your best answer...

To back this up with stating along the lines we have all sinned so its ok" so to speak is your 2nd instigation.

Educate yourself

On

1: the word sin

2: refers to question 1 the design of human

3. Facts - bible, design, human biology, science, pregnation creation even evolution is against you thus we carnt evolve if we cant reproduce.
4... conclusion

evidence which outways gays evidence on factual support

Bible - written source
Design - written source science biology etc
Evolution
Common sense.

Do i need to go into detail on a ten page doc to state this...

As i stated in the beginning... i can show this on very few words.

You the instigator has shown no evidence other than the bible arguments.

SHOW ME FACTUAL EVIDENCE PLEASE

I finsih now as point prooved.

Sin is wrong.

Body is desgined for purpose

What is wrong shall be sinful.

Pro wins
Posted by thewiseguy1 2 years ago
thewiseguy1
Sorry for any grammer mistakes. Galaxy s5, i type like a locomotive...also out with my children...

Thankyou its been uneducatiing.

Wiseguy
Posted by thewiseguy1 2 years ago
thewiseguy1
Errrm....your very question on debate is a questionable.

I could of stated i qoute along the lines " we cant help what we are born with " you stated this...

Is this really your best answer...

To back this up with stating along the lines we have all sinned so its ok" so to speak is your 2nd instigation.

Educate yourself

On

1: the word sin

2: refers to question 1 the design of human

3. Facts - bible, design, human biology, science, pregnation creation even evolution is against you thus we carnt evolve if we cant reproduce.
4... conclusion

evidence which outways gays evidence on factual support

Bible - written source
Design - written source science biology etc
Evolution
Common sense.

Do i need to go into detail on a ten page doc to state this...

As i stated in the beginning... i can show this on very few words.

You the instigator has shown no evidence other than the bible arguments.

SHOW ME FACTUAL EVIDENCE PLEASE

I finsih now as point prooved.

Sin is wrong.

Body is desgined for purpose

What is wrong shall be sinful.
Posted by Kryptic 2 years ago
Kryptic
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Posted by thewiseguy1 2 years ago
thewiseguy1
You are born with mind

You educate yourself best as you can. Negative sin and positive ate inputted into you as you flourish.

You have choice to decide what is right and wrong.

This is your choice as a human. If you are educated you will know what is right and wrong.

Does this knowing give you right to choose wrong. No

Example. If there is murderers then it is ok to murder.

Creationalist facts remain the same.. we are made indesign bodily for purpose...

Dont abuse what is not meant for.

Educate to undestand
Posted by Kryptic 2 years ago
Kryptic
right... regardless, my argument stands
Posted by thewiseguy1 2 years ago
thewiseguy1
But then i do agree, we are all born unto a sinful world.

Educated in the 1st instance we were not.

Negative thought, emotion, images, were inprinted on us from birth onwards so we are all sinners.

But that is no excuse to say it is ok.

A wrong is a wrong for eternity

And it is wrong education that keeps us all sinners.
Posted by Kryptic 2 years ago
Kryptic
the debate ends right there lmao
Posted by Kryptic 2 years ago
Kryptic
thewiseguy... the debate is. is being gay a sin?
the answer is... by the bibles definition, yes it is.
regardless of the authenticity, it says it is.
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Vote Placed by dsjpk5 2 years ago
dsjpk5
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