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TheAtheisticDebatist
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nerosmoke
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Is evolution correct?

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Started: 9/12/2017 Category: Science
Updated: 10 months ago Status: Debating Period
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TheAtheisticDebatist

Pro

The simple answer is, yes. I am more interested in responding to anyone's arguments against evolution, come at me!
nerosmoke

Con

The problem with evolution is that is it unproven hypothesis that has been expanded into scientific theory (meaning unproven but regarded as true) similar to black holes something that has never been seen in the real world and is claimed to be possible. then TV and movies pass on this false information to uneducated population.

Evolution is pushed more by the agenda of atheist more then by any authority. what that then brakes down into the logical fallacy of "Shifting goal post" where the point of evolution is fill a blank spot or "missing link" between one species or the other to claim there is a connection that has never been proved. leading to a number of false positives story's like claiming a birth defect cave man skull as new kind of human species linking humans and monkeys together.

"Most people think Darwin's greatest contribution was “Natural Selection.” ... Over the years, many details of evolutionary theory have changed," any quick google search will pop up something like this.

And it keeps changing to fit the needs of the atheist community. So the only part of evolution that is ture is that the theory keeps evolving.
Debate Round No. 1
TheAtheisticDebatist

Pro

Evolution is proven, it has plenty of evidence behind it. Take for example micro evolution, micro evolution is the test of flies that are put under different conditions. The outcome is different variations of the fly, showing that over generations it adapted to it's environment. Confirming natural selection

Evolution does not prove or disprove a god, therefore an atheist presenting evolution as an argument against god is simply an uneducated person.

A theory is the highest form of an idea in the scientific community since anything can be disproved. The theory of gravity is a popular example. gravity is a consistent property of the universe, yet it is still considered a theory. Laws are rules that apply to theories, such as "the laws of physics".

I appreciate your response.
nerosmoke

Con

Evolution is not proven, and it never will be proven. The fact that it is still being wildly disputed and that In 2000 years of recorded history and that there has never been a change to man observed. A better example to be used instead of the flies. Would be "Darwin's finches" where by natural selection birds was able to change beak size however there is no change to the genus of the finches as we still have finches today.

In order for a scientific theory to be proved it must be observable in the real world. And the theory of gravity is instantly observable as a apple can fall from a tree. However the claim that "humans evolved from common ancestor" or in layman's terms "Humans came from monkeys" has never been observed. So for the theory of Evolution to be proved you must show not only Human evolution from previous ancestor, but Humans are still evolving today, and in 2000 years that has never been seen and given 2000 more years this will never been seen as the theory is not factually supported as a origin of man.

I never said anything about god in this debate, But that is the other side of the argument should be touched on as the human body is far to complex to be random unlike the theory that human life was by chance. if it was random we would not have such a complex nervous system or the complex human brain are all reasons why intelligent design is a popular theory.

So as my first point is that the theory is unproven, I would like to move on to my second point "Man-made Evolution" as I have said before the theory of evolution is always changing to meet the needs atheist as has these needs change so must the theory. In the last couple of years humans have been able to map the human genome and from that is the building blocks for basics of what makes us Human. Scientists are able to genitally modify this and make changes to the human genome and this is exactly what intelligent design is.

"Spider goats" is something that would never happen in natural selection and is created by intelligent man made engineering. and the evolutionist will then claim this to be the missing next stage of human evolution and will claim this to be the next step of "evolution" despite the fact this is a contradiction to natural selection. This will lead to Spider-mans and Man-bear-pigs or whatever un-human abomations this will lead to. Thus will proven inteligent design.

And my third and last point is the famous Bill Nye vs Ken Ham debate, Not the actual debate it self as well rounded out points do nothing to change the opinion of people who have made the choice as to what they believe. But his Netflix kids show that teaches kids science has a part with a dance song with lyrics claiming butt sex is evolution with Bill Nye saying this is the "right message" just to show how absurd the evolution claims can get.

In short Evolution will always be trying to be proven and it never will in all this time it has still not been proven.

Spider goats https://phys.org...
Human animal chimeras http://www.bbc.com...
Bill Nye cringe video "sexual evolution" https://www.youtube.com...

I also thank Pro for his statement about god as we should all have a open mind.

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by nerosmoke 9 months ago
nerosmoke
I like how I won this debate and the mods will not give me the win.
Posted by CreationGuy 9 months ago
CreationGuy
@ alexhenry117 and gamefreak23788

The examples that yall gave pretty much describes microevolution ( changes within the kinds) and adaptation which fits perfectly with the creationist's view.... the bacteria may have changed over time, but it's still bacteria though.... this is something we can test, observe, and repeat.... evolution can't do this at all.... the only thing we ever observe is that things produce after its own kind; nothing else....
Posted by Spud 10 months ago
Spud
Scientific illiteracy is in abundance on this site. It's really odd to see tbh.
Posted by gamefreak23788 10 months ago
gamefreak23788
Yeah, also scientists have observed many evolutionary processes. There was an example of lizards they artificially evolved through geographic isolation, and were actually able to create two different species over the span of merely 12 years; quite amazing.
Posted by gamefreak23788 10 months ago
gamefreak23788
Yeah, also scientists have observed many evolutionary processes. There was an example of lizards they artificially evolved through geographic isolation, and were actually able to create two different species over the span of merely 12 years; quite amazing.
Posted by gamefreak23788 10 months ago
gamefreak23788
Yeah, also scientists have observed many evolutionary processes. There was an example of lizards they artificially evolved through geographic isolation, and were actually able to create two different species over the span of merely 12 years; quite amazing.
Posted by gamefreak23788 10 months ago
gamefreak23788
Yeah, also scientists have observed many evolutionary processes. There was an example of lizards they artificially evolved through geographic isolation, and were actually able to create two different species over the span of merely 12 years; quite amazing.
Posted by alexhenry117 10 months ago
alexhenry117
Neurosmoke said that evolution is a theory. While this is true, approximately 99.85% of scientists believe in evolution. Also, he compared evolution to black holes because we thought black holes existed, but we can't observe them. This is untrue. Bacteria has been observed evolving. I hope this clears some stuff up!
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