Is extreme patriotism any good
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Round 2: First argument
Round 3: Comeback to the other persons first argument
Round 4: Final Statement
Hi the reason i made this is because we are seeing more and more nationalism/patriotism influencing politics. I fear that nationalism can lead to not caring about other countries and it have not shown itself from its good side throughout history.
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Extreme patriotism is good. Why?
1)It keeps us protected from extremist terrorist groups.
2)It saved the world during World War II.
3)It gives the other side of politics.
4)It's a bulwark to something worse.
5)A kingdom divided will not stand.
6)Most other cultures and countries suck. Not all cultures and nations are equally good or good at all. Some nations are better because they choose to be better and fight to be better. No nation is like the U.S. It is the greatest nation that has ever existed in the history of planet Earth. Period. The LGBT community can marry or adopt children. Secularism wasn't snuffed out. People from every country on Earth and every religion live in America. That's a first in world history.
7)America was the only bulwark to Naziism. It would have taken over the world.
8)America was followed as an example to the rest of the world and was followed.
9)People keep coming to America for a reason, and they most certainly are never going back.
10)Patriotism unites. It united America during WWII, after 9/11, and after the attack on Orlando.
Why is extreme nationalism neccessary? Because many other countries have it. Extreme nationalism is the bulwark to the extreme nationalism of other nations. Such as? This:
Thousands of Iranians marched in Tehran's Azadi Square chanting "Death to America" and waving anti-Western placards on the 37th anniversary of the country's 1979 Islamic revolution. This was firectly following the Iran Nucleur Deal was signed by the U.S. government.
"I'm also afraid that it creates a divided group of people."
Con pointed out in his round 2 remarks that extreme patriotism united the Nazis and the Italians in WWII which is inconsistant with Con's assessment that extreme patriotism divides. And I quote:
"but i think what really started WW2 was extreme patriotism mainly in Germany but also in other European countries like Italy."
"if you believe your country is the best it might prevent you from learn from other countries and what they are doing that seems to work."
I am an "extreme patriot", and I have learned from other countries.
Don't bring in 1 million unvetted immigrants from nations who are suspect at best in their loyalty to the West.
Here are the stats from the "rape jihad" in one day.
Groping, sexual assault, robbery, theft, five rapes.
At least 5 rapes:
3 complaints in Cologne
2 complaints in Hamburg
More than 2,000 sexual assaults and robberies reported:
1,529 crimes in Cologne
236 in Hamburg
A total of over 2,000 victims.
And this was in one single day. All were reported to be immigrants.
I am an "extreme patriot", yet I am fully aware there are things in other nations that are good examples. Duch as? China. They've been screwing the U.S. for years and doing well at it. They have done it through cyber attacks and massive debt ownership at the tune of $1.27 trillion.
I also have the discernment to realize that the U.S. is a victim of its own hospitality. America was once by far the greatest nation in the world. It was by far the richest, by far the most powerful, and by far the most united. Its open door policies to anybody and everybody has led to its decline. The culture that made America powerful is being replaced because its culture has politely stepped aside to avoid feelings of racism, bigotry, intollerance, or anti-multiculturism.
The "old U.S. culture" was:
1)Predominantly Christian and secular.
2)Predominantly of European descent or the children of slaves of those with British descent. The culture was a British offshoot. The original pilgrims were Seperatists and Puritans.
With a nondescerning open door policy, the "original" U.S. culture is slowly beginning to be less of a majority and in direct confrontation with other cultures set to replace it within its own boundries. The U.S. needs to close its doors to vast immigration and protect the American culture, or it will disappear and be replaced by a mosaic that will resemble in no way the America of say 1950-1990 that was united, wealthy, powerful, and envied by the rest of the world.
"Our culture isn't just different than cultures who kill Atheists, Christians, and homosexuals...It's better."
Con has pointed out the power of extreme patriotism within the Nazi regime. So let's take a look.
Adolph Hitler "Mass Nationalistic Insanity" (Video to show the insanity)
The Nazis had developed a "Political religion" called...Naziism. So Naziism was the concept brainwashed into the Hitler youth and German military. It worked because Germany had its back against the wall economically. Hitler became their religion.
The Allies used what to stand against the extreme patriotism of Germany?
They used extreme patriotism.
Winston Churchill "We shall never surrender" (Video reference)
"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."
If America wants a culture to look to as a guide for making a nation work, it has one. Past America. Its own historical self.
"And, O Lord, give us Faith. Give us Faith in Thee; Faith in our sons; Faith in each other; Faith in our united crusade. Let not the keenness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment let not these deter us in our unconquerable purpose. Thy will be done, Allmighty God."
FDR's prayer (Video reference)
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Dinesh D'souza, an American born and raised in India once pointed out that in his debate eith Jessie Jackson, he realised that he and Jackson had the same color of skin. He figured out that Jackson thinks America is racist because he has never seen real racism. He is comparing America to Utopia. D'douza was comparing America to other countries that actually exist.
D'souza pointed out how great America was, and made profound points about American liberals. He said that Liberals want extreme multiculturism, but it is because they have not been in the midst of other cultures in their true form. There is a reason people are running in droves away from their native lands to America and Europe. It's because...their culture sucks.
America is under attack as never before. This is why "extreme patriotism" is building up in America and Europe. It's not only under attack from terrorists but also from people in America and Europe who provide a justification for terrorism. Islamic fundamentalists declare America the "Great Satan". Europeans rail against American capitalism and American culture. South American activists denounce the United States for "neocolonialism" and oppression.
Anti Americanism from abroad would not be such a problem if Americans were united in standing up for their own country. But in this country itself, there are those who blame America for most of the evils in the world. On the political, liberal left, many fault the United States for a history of slavery, and for continuing inequality and racism. Even on the right, traditionally the home of patriotism, we hear influential figures say that America has become so decadent that we are "slouching towards Gomorrah."
If these critics are right, then America should be destroyed. And who can dispute some of their particulars? This country did have a history of slavery and unspoken racisms continue to exist. There is much in our culture that is vulgar and decadent. But the critics are wrong about America, because they are missing the big picture. In their indignation over the sins of America, they ignore what is unique and good about American civilization.
- America provides an amazingly good life for the ordinary guy. Foreigners who legitimately come to America realise this. Many native born Americans have become blind to this by having nothing to compare the greatest nation in the world to. But...they can tell you who won the Bachelor.
- America offers more opportunity and social mobility than any other country, including the countries of Europe. America is the only country that has created a population of self made tycoons. You actually have a chance in America of bettering yourself.
-People live longer, fuller lives in America. Protesters scream against the American version of technological capitalism at trade meetings around the world, but in reality the American system has given citizens many more years of life expectancy, and the means to live more intensely and actively.
-America and the West have gone further than any other society in establishing equality of rights.
Gays can marry, adopt children, etc. Females have equal rights with men.
This is why we have been forced into extreme patriotism. We have radical Islam trying to kill any and all non-Muslims, yet Liberals are screaming that we cannot do anything to block their destruction or mayhem in the name of anti-colonialism and multiculturism.
On the other side we have Socialists who want to pay for everything by digging the very dirt out from beneath themselves to do so. They cannot perceive that taking from the top isn't logical. They believe that there is "white privelege", yet refuse to give up that privelege. They want others to give up their privelege. They think taking from the richest will fix it all. Nope. It will make it where no one can get anything. We all become poor by default. Why work hard? Why become a doctor? Why become anything? Why do anything? We all must be "equal". They cannot grasp that the "tycoon" takes all the risk while they take none. He made millions. I should go from $20 an hour to $30 an hour, yet they get paid no matter what while the tycoon does not during bad times.
This is why extreme patriotism is taking a stand right now. Without it, the Liberals will have us graveling at the feet of no freedom, no rights, and poverty, like a worm.
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Without patriotism, no one would really care if our country looks like a landfill or if we get taken over by our enemies.
It takes extreme patriotism to combat extreme patriotism. Our enemies are very patriotic. Liberals refuse to believe that not all cultures or people are the same. They refuse to believe that Muslims take the Quran's commands to conquer us through stealth jihad seriously. Their lack of extreme patriotism has led to our enemies infiltrating the societies of the West and becoming ruthless killers within our own borders that Conservatives living in reality are trying to wake them up towards.
Fort Hood massacre of U.S. soldiers? Islamic.
San Bernerdino massacre? Islamic.
The Boston Marathon bombing? Islamic.
The Bataclan theatre in Paris massacre? Islamic.
The rape jihad of Cologne? Islamic.
The Belgium airport bombing? Islamic.
Sharia for UK? Islamic.
The London train bombing? Islamic.
The Philadelphia blindside shooting of a policeman? Islamic.
The beheading in a manufacturing plant in Moore, Oklahoma? Islamic.
Patriotism opens your eyes. Anti-patriotism makes you a blind fool. Our instincts exist for a reason. Anti-patriotism is a supression of those survival instincts.
As a matter of fact, fear is the greatest instinct neccessary for survival.
Patriotism saved the world.
Why should we be patriots? Because it is time to drop the childish thinking and grow up.
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