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Is hell eternal suffering?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/26/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Domr

Con

I was just considering this and am looking to see if someone is willing to refute the argument of hell being eternal suffering.

1 round. Arguments must assume the Christian God exists, souls exist, and there is a heaven and hell. Heaven is achieved by faith (belief) in God.


P1. If you believe in God you go to heaven.
P2. If you go to hell, you then know there is a heaven and God.
C1. By knowing God, your soul is saved.



P1.John 3:16: "God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

"Whoever believes in him". It never states when you have to believe. Most people assume that this belief must take place in our earthly lives.


P2. If souls exist, then they must go to heaven or hell after death. When someone goes to hell, it is assumed because they did not believe in God. Upon entering hell, the Christian belief is confirmed, since there is hell, there must be a heaven.

If there is heaven, God must be the ruler of heaven and the universe, thus proving his existence and the truth of the bible.


C. If you then know he exists and is true, you then believe in God, your soul would then go to heaven upon believing this.
FMAlchemist

Pro

" "Whoever believes in him". It never states when you have to believe. Most people assume that this belief must take place in our earthly lives."

The bible actually does state that you will only have one life,as you can see in Hebrews 9:27:

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

The bible also states that hell is eternal,as you can see in Revelation 14:11:

"And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."

"P2. If souls exist, then they must go to heaven or hell after death. When someone goes to hell, it is assumed because they did not believe in God. Upon entering hell, the Christian belief is confirmed, since there is hell, there must be a heaven."

You going to a hell doesn't prove the existence of him,a lot of religions have a place of eternal torturing,examples of different "hells" are:

The Tartarus
The Kalichi/Naraka
The Hetgwauge
The Jahannam
and many others.

"C. If you then know he exists and is true, you then believe in God, your soul would then go to heaven upon believing this."

The entire point of God rarely appearing to us is because we have to believe him in faith,not know that he is there.The Apostle Paul began his first message to those in Athens by stating God WANTS humans to search Him out because of the character it builds as you can see in Acts 17:27:

"That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:"












Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by FMAlchemist 2 years ago
FMAlchemist
Yes,because you assumed that the person going to hell was an atheist,or from another religion,as you said in the other comment.
Posted by Domr 2 years ago
Domr
You never once said the words atheist in your argument.

"You going to a hell doesn't prove the existence of him,a lot of religions have a place of eternal torturing,examples of different "hells" are:"

This statement, by you, is NOT an argument that assume the existence of heaven and hell. (christian)
Posted by FMAlchemist 2 years ago
FMAlchemist
You did not say i couldn't bring up other religions,you just said i had to assume the heaven,hell and god are there.I'm just assuming that an atheist,from his perspective,would know to which religious underworld he is going to,and wouldn't know god to go to heaven as you said.
Posted by Domr 2 years ago
Domr
Aero, as stated in the rules, anyone who accepts this debate is to assume the truthfulness in the Christian God, heaven, and hell.

Therefore the legitimacy of it is irrelevant. The belief is common knowledge (not necessarily accepted) among many. Therefore debating this would not matter.

My opponent did a great job finding other bible passages ( I was unaware of) stating judgement is only handed down once. I still do not approve of the rule breaking in bringing up the other "hell beliefs" but he does certainly deserve credit for the other arguments.

The fact you are coming into a separate debate to belittle me about our debate, in which you made little, to no, sense on any topic of discussion, is uncalled for.
Posted by Aerogant 2 years ago
Aerogant
Will you look at that, my recent Con (artist), is in here debating about something that's solely begging the question. Now how did I lose to someone that thinks there are any constructive traits found in arguing about something that's never existed beyond human imagination?
Posted by Domr 2 years ago
Domr
You are not argue heavens existence . You are to argue eternal suffering. Which you have failed to do.

All you stated was people die once. Does not apply.

You are to argue assuming hell and Heaven exist. You did not do this
Posted by FMAlchemist 2 years ago
FMAlchemist
I didn't raise doubt,i only said that an atheist going to hell wouldn't use it as proof that a the christian god exists,even if him existed.

@Victoria85176
I'm an atheist,that's an hypothetical debate.
Posted by Victoria85176 2 years ago
Victoria85176
You guys are debating about hell but you have no prove that there even is a hell, you have no prove that there is a god....... so why would you debate about it????? :/
Posted by Domr 2 years ago
Domr
Exactly...my words. I set the scenario of the man being in hell

Me: "1 round. Arguments must assume the Christian God exists, souls exist, and there is a heaven and hell. Heaven is achieved by faith (belief) in God."

You: "You going to a hell doesn't prove the existence of him,a lot of religions have a place of eternal torturing,examples of different "hells" are:"

You not only brought up other religions after this, you also raised doubt in heaven existing....which you are also NOT allowed to do.

Clear violations of the rule. People should either vote for me, as you broke the rules, or not vote at all, and we end this in a draw.
Posted by FMAlchemist 2 years ago
FMAlchemist
"When someone goes to hell, IT IS ASSUMED BECAUSE THEY DID NOT BELIEVE IN GOD. Upon entering hell, the Christian belief is confirmed, since there is hell, there must be a heaven. "

Your words.
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Vote Placed by Cold-Mind 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro has successfully disproven Con's P2 by poining out that except for God's hell, there are other hells. Pro cited verse from Bible that clearly contradicts Con's conclusion.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro actually gave resources to prove his point.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con's argument goes "If you were going to hell, you would become Christian", which would mean that nobody would go to hell. Pro showed that hell is non-exclusive to Christianity, making Con's argument false. Pro further showed that (the Christian hell, anyways) is eternal. Pro has thus fulfilled their BOP.