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Is hell forever?

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Started: 12/14/2017 Category: Religion
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Debatwinnerpro

Con

first round is acceptance. I hope you are open minded.
The_Lawyer

Pro

Hello, I'm the Pro Contender. I will be debating "Hell is forever." May the best debater win!!!
Debate Round No. 1
Debatwinnerpro

Con

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28

It says their souls and bodies are DESTROYED in hell.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23
DEATH not eternal torment

psalm 37:10 A little while, and the wicked will be no more; though you look for them, they will not be found.

will be NO MORE...

But the wicked shall perish; And the enemies of the LORD, Like the splendor of the meadows, shall vanish. Into smoke they shall vanish away. Psalm 37: 9-11, 20.

shall VANISH AWAY... they will vanish away not suffer forever

But the transgressors shall be destroyed together; The future of the wicked shall be cut off. Psalm 37: 9-11, 20, 38.

DESTROYED TOGETHER, and the future of the wicked shall BE CUT OFF

As smoke is driven away, So drive them away; As wax melts before the fire, So let the wicked perish at the presence of God. Psalm 68:2.

LET THE WICKED PERISH.... still ...perish, not eternally suffer.

May sinners be consumed from the earth, And the wicked be no more. Bless the LORD, O my soul! Praise the LORD! Psalm 104:35.

BE NO MORE

Malachi 4:1 "Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire," says the LORD Almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them.

BE STUBBLE, NOT A ROOT NOR BRANCH WILL BE LEFT TO THEM.... suggests destruction...

You shall trample the wicked, For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet On the day that I do this, Says the LORD of hosts. Malachi 4:1-3.

it says they shall be ashes... as in nothing left of them..

Behold, they shall be as stubble, The fire shall burn them; They shall not deliver themselves From the power of the flame; It shall not be a coal to be warmed by, Nor a fire to sit before! Isaiah 47:14.

It says they shall be stubble... like nothing...

The LORD preserves all who love Hims, But all the wicked He will destroy. Psalm 145:20.

it says he will DESTROY them... not make them suffer forever

For as you drank on my holy mountain, So shall all the nations drink continually; Yes, they shall drink, and swallow, And they shall be as though they had never been. Obadiah 1:15-16.

it says it will be like they never existed... so they are destroyed

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Posted by Debatwinnerpro 7 months ago
Debatwinnerpro
As to your smoke of their torment thing..

That verse seems similar to another however

"It shall not be quenched night or day; Its smoke shall ascend forever. From generation to generation it shall lie waste; No one shall pass through it forever and ever. "Isaiah 34:10

This is talking about the destruction of Edom... Directly after that verse it states

"But the pelican and the porcupine shall possess it, Also the owl and the raven shall dwell in it. And He shall stretch out over it The line of confusion and the stones of emptiness.
They shall call its nobles to the kingdom, But none shall be there, and all its princes shall be nothing.
And thorns shall come up in its palaces, Nettles and brambles in its fortresses; It shall be a habitation of jackals, A courtyard for ostriches.
The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the jackals, And the wild goat shall bleat to its companion; Also the night creature shall rest there, And find for herself a place of rest.
There the arrow snake shall make her nest and lay eggs And hatch, and gather them under her shadow; There also shall the hawks be gathered, Every one with her mate. " Isaiah 34:11-15

It means forever and ever in a more figurative sense... Animals run from smoke... They would not inhabit an area filled with smoke... And don't you think by now we would find an area continuously smoking..

The people in hell are still punished/tormented.. Just they are destroyed after their sins and soul are completely no more
Posted by Debatwinnerpro 7 months ago
Debatwinnerpro
Follower of Christ

In Greek forever has multiple meanings.... You still disregard what I say.. And bring up the few verses that support your beliefs..

Look at this
"then you shall take an awl and thrust it through his ear to the door, and he shall be your servant forever. Also to your female servant you shall do likewise. " Deuteronomy 15:17

You cannot be someone's servant forever... In Greek forever the word "aion" is translated to "forever"

But the word "aion" has a real meaning of "age"

This word has two meanings

For a certain period of time, maybe a lifetime... Or any set period of time

Or... Forever
Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 7 months ago
FollowerofChrist1955
Sorry Debatewinnerpro:
your STILL wrong!

Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

Revelation 14:10
he too will drink the wine of God's anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.11And the smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever. Day and night there will be no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.""

" And the smoke of their torment will rise" forever and ever". "Day and night there will be no rest" for those who worship the beast and its image,

Sounds pretty eternal to me Debat buddy ... you sure your not reading JW's bible?
Posted by canis 7 months ago
canis
What hell..The christian one ?...They have no hell because they have no religion.
https://www.youtube.com...
Posted by Debatwinnerpro 7 months ago
Debatwinnerpro
@followerofchrist1955 very interesting verse.. but i can disprove that.

in greek there is 2 word meanings translated to "forever"

"Age" can mean a lifetime... like how long someone lives
"Age" can also mean an eternity

but look at this verse
"then you shall take an awl and thrust it through his ear to the door, and he shall be your servant forever. Also to your female servant you shall do likewise. "Deuteronomy 15:12-17

you cannot be someones servant FOREVER that is truly impossible, in the bible forever can kjust mean a lifetime...

in the same chapter of revelation we have this "Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death." revelation 20:14

the "second death" not 'ETERNAL TORTURE"
Posted by Debatwinnerpro 7 months ago
Debatwinnerpro
@followerofchrist1955 very interesting verse.. but i can disprove that.

in greek there is 2 word meanings translated to "forever"

"Age" can mean a lifetime... like how long someone lives
"Age" can also mean an eternity

but look at this verse
"then you shall take an awl and thrust it through his ear to the door, and he shall be your servant forever. Also to your female servant you shall do likewise. "Deuteronomy 15:12-17

you cannot be someones servant FOREVER that is truly impossible, in the bible forever can kjust mean a lifetime...

in the same chapter of revelation we have this "Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death." revelation 20:14

the "second death" not 'ETERNAL TORTURE"
Posted by Nd2400 7 months ago
Nd2400
So you saying Reincarnation isn't real.... Funny for you to say this. Do you have real science proof of a heaven and hell? No you just got the bible. And in fact the bible could be all lies. It was written by people, and do you know what human been doing since we been on this planet? Oh we lied. Has anyone in the bible actually have proof they were there when the noah's ark happen, or has any kind of proof on any event they claim to witness. Most of the bible is hear say, not actual true events. Do you really believe a guy can make an ocean into a walking path? Sound made up doesn't it. So you want say Reincarnation no real but have zero proof in why its not and zero proof on a heaven and hell. The bible doesn't count as proof. So many people had a hand in it. Doesn't make it real. They tell story like we do today and just about every story is different on how it being told. So again no real proof.... You want believe on something fake then don't say something else is fake when you are believing in something you can't actually proved.
Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 7 months ago
FollowerofChrist1955
Nd2400;
That would be inconsistent with the Scriptures of God which directly contradict reincarnation. Here: Hebrews 9:27
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

2 Samuel 14:14
"For we will surely die and are like water spilled on the ground which cannot be gathered up again.

Ecclesiastes 3:2
A time to give birth and a time to die; A time to plant and a time to uproot what is planted.

Reincarnation is not real. And WILL never be real, UNTIL, the person WITH the memory is intaimate,y familiar with the FAMILY of the departed immediately on meeting.

Those who know scripture are advised of the forces that exist and the purpose of their existence. To Draw away man from God! Reincarnation id one of the tools the demonic dable in. They know the lives of all souls lived. The can present memories of every person who has ever lived! Certainly sufficent enough to mislead the fragile human mind.

What they cannot do is GIVE REAL Life to the character they portray. Thus when placed in the room, with a family member of the departed, there is NO intimate relationship, though in life the were siblings, or ones mother or ones Father! What can only be attested to is memories alone, without feeling nor emotion or knowledge of the family member themselves!

It is far more prevelant the earthly spirit that roams earth, caught on film and in photograph ... yet this is not Life! Neither is memory Life. Thus is the lie made known. The demonic cannot BRING or restore the ACTUAL Life. Merely a mirror in the hopes to draw one to the occult and AWAY from God, effectively sealing the unsuspecting soul to Hell.

As is written those who do not know Christ or accept the sacrifice of atonement, are consigned to Hell. There is no escape otherwise!
Posted by canis 7 months ago
canis
What hell..The christian one ?...They have no hell because they have no religion.
https://www.youtube.com...
Posted by Nd2400 7 months ago
Nd2400
No hell is made up just like heaven.
Reincarnation is probably the most accurate theory....
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