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Is hidan of the hidden mist village really dead

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/30/2011 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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YOUREALIAR

Pro

When Shikimaru totally blew up Hidan in the naruto shippuden series, did he truly die?
I say nay, he was immortal so he is just in pieces at the bottom of the hole, if a surgeon ninja were to find him he could be sown back together and thus be a mobile threat again.
Thorough

Con

Definitions of immortal:
1) remembered or celebrated through all time: the immortal words of Lincoln.
2) not liable to perish or decay; imperishable; everlasting.
3) perpetual; lasting; constant: an immortal enemy.
4) of or pertaining to immortal beings or immortality.

Definitions of immortality:
1) life of which death is produced, only subject to or productive of war or conflict.
2) enduring fame.

The first reference to immortality speaks of Skoll and Hati:
Skoll the wolf who shall scare the Moon
Till he flies to the Wood-of-Woe:
Hati the wolf, Hridvitnir's kin,
Who shall pursue the Sun.

Skoll was an immortal being and Hati, a princess of the wolf Gods, was jealous of Skoll's power. In her envy, she created war and cursed all immortals to fall to the fate of conflict.

Hidan's death was a product of war and he therefore "fell to the fate of conflict". Moreover, he did truly die.
Debate Round No. 1
YOUREALIAR

Pro

According to your first definition of immortal, if someone is immortal they are remembered through time, if the Hidan fan-base still remembers him he is immortal. In your second definition of immortal you state that something's not liable to perish or decay. A body is still in a living state if it is not decaying and instead growing. Hidan is not truly dead but instead is incapacitated. By your framework Hidan is immortal and still alive.

Even Masashi Kishimoto stated Hidan is in an incapacitated state, not saying if he was alive or dead. Also on the Naruto wikipedia page, in Hidan's stats he is listed as incapacitated, not dead. In the most recent series of naruto Kabuto was unable to resurrect Hidan.

Using this information we must assume Hidan is alive as part of a writing plot to keep readers interested.
Thorough

Con

According to your first definition of immortal, if someone is immortal they are remembered through time, if the Hidan fan-base still remembers him he is immortal."

My first argument against this is that this definition is objective, not subjective. Objective, in this sense means, "of a noun, excepting a pronoun". It refers to a pronoun, a living being, and so it is not immortal.

My second argument is that your reference to immortal was of the latter definition, "4) of or pertaining to immortal beings or immortality." A reference to this reference is, "if a surgeon ninja were to find him he could be sown back together and thus be a mobile threat again." As this refers only to the said definition, assumptions must occur of its ultimate reference to the definition.

"In your second definition of immortal you state that something's not liable to perish or decay. A body is still in a living state if it is not decaying and instead growing. Hidan is not truly dead but instead is incapacitated. By your framework Hidan is immortal and still alive."

Pro has given no evidence, merely statement, that Hidan's body is not liable to perish or decay and so this argument is invalid.

Pro argues that Hidan is said to be incapacitated.

Definitions of incapacitate:
1) to deprive of ability, qualification, or strength; make incapable or unfit; disable.
2) Law . to deprive of the legal power to act in a specified way or ways.

Definition of incapacitated:
1) unable to act, respond, or the like (often used euphemistically when one is busy or otherwise occupied): He can't come to the phone now—he's incapacitated.

I cannot see how Hidan being unable to act is evidence against him being dead.

Pro has failed to give unchallenged valid evidence and so has not yet produced proof.

Also, could Pro send the link to Wikipedia, as I have searched and not found a reference to the word "incapacitated", other than, "During Part II, the team reforms with two new members, Sai, who occupies Sasuke's position, and Yamato, who acts as Kakashi's replacement when he is briefly INCAPACITATED and later stays with the team when Kakashi returns."

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Debate Round No. 2
YOUREALIAR

Pro

YOUREALIAR forfeited this round.
Thorough

Con

I expand my argument
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by DanT 5 years ago
DanT
1.) The manga shows he is not dead.
2.) He is not from the Mist village
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Vote Placed by Mr.Infidel 5 years ago
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