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SPENCERJOYAGE14
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Is it a sin for men to have long hair?

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Started: 3/10/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Truth_seeker

Con

Standard rules do apply

Do you accept?
SPENCERJOYAGE14

Pro

I accept and am excited for this debate.

But first I would like to define some terms in this round:

1) Sin: an offense against religious or moral law. http://www.merriam-webster.com...


And I would also like to say that I will be looking in both the Old and New testaments for evidence in today's debate. Thanks, and I look forward to Con's case.
Debate Round No. 1
Truth_seeker

Con

First, i will point out that no where in Genesis does it explicitly say that Adam had long hair and Eve short hair. Thus, we cannot conclude anything about the "natural order" of hair on either men or women.

Second, no where does it say in the Old Testament that it is a sin for men to have long hair. On the contrary, men like Absalom and Samson had long hair.

2 Samuel 18:9

"Whenever he [Absalom] cut the hair of his head--he used to cut his hair once a year because it became too heavy for him--he would weigh it, and its weight was two hundred shekels by the royal standard.

Judges 13:5 "5 You will become pregnant and have a son [Samson] whose head is never to be touched by a razor because the boy is to be a Nazirite, dedicated to God from the womb. He will take the lead in delivering Israel from the hands of the Philistines."

In the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 11 is commonly quoted to support the notion that long hair on men is a sin. I will provide evidence for why this text does not condemn long hair on men.

1 Corinthians 11:2-16

"2 I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you. 3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head"it is the same as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head."

7 " For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man. 9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man. 10 For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. 12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God."

13 Judge among yourselves. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him? 15 But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God."

In Paul's day, eastern Christian women wore veils evidenced by early Christian art (1). The covering in this context doesn't strictly refer to hair. That being said, Paul was addressing a cultural issue.

Paul was asking a rhetorical question, not clearly saying that long hair is a sin for men. Nor is this Nature speaking of God. Since our Nature is sinful, it would create a contradiction of Theological concepts within Scripture because it is God's Law that lets us understand what sin is.

Clearly, it cannot be a sin for a man to have long hair.

1. Shank, Tom (1988). Let Her Be Veiled. Eureka, MT: Torch Publications. pp. 51"8
SPENCERJOYAGE14

Pro


I will now post my case. I will not be reading Con's case until the rebuttals so that's why it might be a little mixed.


Let's first look at 1 Corinthians 11:14-15 ESV: Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering.


Now that verse doesn't exactly say that long hair is a sin but let's look at my next verse found in Deuteronomy 22:5: A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.


Because the definition of cloak is: something that covers or conceals from dictionary.com we can know that a man who “puts on a woman’s cloak” also known as hair has committed an abomination and broken God’s law which is a sin.


I now open up the rebuttal period.


Debate Round No. 2
Truth_seeker

Con

I will present evidence for why this text is not supporting Pro's position that it is implied that long hair on men is a sin. Let's examined Pro's verse.

Deuteronomy 22:5

"A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God."

The phrase translated "shall not wear.." comes from the Hebrew keliy meaning "utensil, vessel, implement." (1). Translators commonly translate the word man in this passage as a warrior trained to fight (2).

Moses was speaking of a specific kind of man in this text. Many scholars agree with this rendering. Adam Clark writes:

"As the word...geber is here used, which properly signifies a strong man or man of war, it is very probable that armour is here intended; especially as we know that in the worship of Venus, to which that of Astarte or Ashtaroth among the Canaanites bore a striking resemblance, the women were accustomed to appear in armour before her. (3)

John Gill writes:

"...and the word [keliy] also signifies armour, as Onkelos renders it; and so here forbids women putting on a military habit and going with men to war, as was usual with the eastern women; and so Maimonides illustrates it, by putting a mitre or an helmet on her head, and clothing herself with a coat of mail; and in like manner Josephus explains it, 'take heed, especially in war, that a woman do not make use of the habit of a man, or a man that of a woman...'" (4)

Rabbi Jon-Jay Tilsen writes:

"In another attempt to identify the quintessential 'men's items,' Rabbi Eliezer ben Jacob, quoted in the Talmud (edited about 800 C.E.), says, "What is the proof that a woman may not go forth with weapons to war?" He then cites our verse [Deuteronomy 22:5], which he reads this way: "A warrior's gear may not be put on a woman" (B. Naz. 59a). He reads kli gever [geber] as the homograph kli gibbor, meaning a "warrior's gear".

He further writes:

"This same understanding is followed by Midrash Mishlei (Proverbs) which contends that the Biblical character Yael in the Book of Judges kills General Sisera with a tent pin instead of a sword in order to comply with this law. It would have been 'unlady-like' for her to use a sword -- worse, a violation of the law -- because a sword is a man's tool..."

There is rarely any distinction between clothing for men and women. Genesis 3:21 says that God made coats of skin for them to wear, but the word in Hebrew is kethoneth which is a long-skirt garment (5). According to the Easton's Bible dictionary, it says:

"The "coat" (kethoneth), of wool, cotton, or linen, was worn by both sexes."

Because there is rarely any distinction between clothing worn by both men and women in ancient times; let alone distinction between a man's and woman's hair, we cannot use this text to support that men are supposed to have short hair and women-long hair. A few considerations should be taken:

1. If there is a distinction between the hair length of men and women, we would expect to find it in Genesis, but we don't.

2. If it were a sin, God wouldn't have commanded Samson to grow his hair long, to do so would be to contradict his own character.

Because there are no verses to support that men should have long hair, it is clearly not a sin, though it can be argued to be improper or proper based on social standards.

1. Brown, Driver, Briggs and Gesenius. "Hebrew Lexicon entry for Keliy" ( Strong's # 3627). "The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon".

2. Ibid. "Hebrew Lexicon entry for Geber". Strong's # 1397.

3. Clark, Adam. "Commentary on Deuteronomy 22:5". "Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible".

4. Gill, John. "Commentary on Deuteronomy 22:5". "The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible".

5. Brown, Driver, Briggs and Gesenius. "Hebrew Lexicon entry for Kethoneth" (Strong's # 3801). "The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon".
SPENCERJOYAGE14

Pro

SPENCERJOYAGE14 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Truth_seeker

Con

My opponent is in a state of denial, she knows guys look good with long hair, XD!
SPENCERJOYAGE14

Pro

SPENCERJOYAGE14 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Owlz 3 years ago
Owlz
I have long hair. I like my long hair and am glad it is not considered to be a sin on DDO. :D
Posted by Cat_Lover 3 years ago
Cat_Lover
Samson had long hair....
Posted by Truth_seeker 3 years ago
Truth_seeker
I know that, lol
Posted by Legitdebater 3 years ago
Legitdebater
Lol, this debate.....
Posted by Truth_seeker 3 years ago
Truth_seeker
I know ur voting for me, lol
Posted by RebelRebelDixieDixie01 3 years ago
RebelRebelDixieDixie01
I have very long hair, its not a sin.
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