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Is it ethical to clone humans?

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Started: 1/10/2011 Category: Science
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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AmbrinaDePiano1

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Question: Is it ethical to clone humans?

Cloning- the production of a human (as a whole) that has the exact DNA of a human being cloned.

First, clones could be used in the army to avoid suffering the loss of loved ones. The clones would only know life in the lab, learning how to fight and never knowing anything else. By using clones in the army we would save lives and save the heartaches of families. Throughout ones lifetime, one may struggle with mental disabilities, or diseases, such as cancer, diabetes, and alzheimer's. Wouldn't you like to know what diseases you may have in your life? By cloning ovum before birth, we could examine the ovum and find what diseases that child will suffer from throughout life and tell the parents ahead of time. This will be beneficial for both the parents and the child. The parents would be able to research the diseases and find how they cope with the disease and how to raise a child with that disease. This will make life easier for the child because the parents will know how to take care of them. Clones could also be used in place of animals to test products. The conflicts about animal testing will no longer exist and using humans will make the testing more accurate. The clones would live in the lab, only know life within the lab walls and never know about the outside world. Animals lives will be saved and we will benefit greatly from using humans instead. Lastly, we could clone people with diseases, study that clone, and find a cure. This will be greatly beneficial for the world. Cures to cancer could be found, new diseases could be cured in the blink of an eye and terminal diseases could be terminated. Cloning humans will greatly improve our ways of life.
Katzandpples1

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Cloning Humans Con Arguments
Ethical Question- Is it ethical to clone a whole human?
Definition- Cloning, in this debate, is the production of a human (as a whole) that has the exact DNA of the human being cloned.
Playing God- the world is created by nature and we must let nature take its course because when we start to dictate the future that is when the world can no longer support us. The world can only support what it intended to create and by putting more humans on this earth we wouldn’t be able last. It’s not our job to put more humans on this earth than intended and more than 80% of Americans practice Christianity of some sort. In no way do the beliefs of that religion allow for the moral process of cloning. Therefore by making it legal would cause problems for close to 80% of the population to have a problem with it, if not more. Members of some religious groups believe that a soul enters the body at the instant of conception, and that the fertilized ovum is in fact a human person with full human rights. Dividing that "baby" in half during an embryo cloning procedure would interfere with God's intent.
Overpopulation/Crime- Nature has developed certain measures by which overpopulation is prevented. It also has a natural cycle that cleans the earth of pollution and recycles all organic life. Disease itself is a function of nature that is necessary to prevent overcrowding and pollution. Human cloning upsets a balance nature has set up in order to maintain life on the planet. By creating more identical humans that means we are also cloning all the bad that already exists, people who have natural mental problems will now exist double and there is no need for that in an society. By cloning a human you are making an identical copy of a person, there will be no form of identity anymore. This opens the door for crime because there is no way identify a suspect since fingerprints and DNA will be the EXACT same. Lastly our Jails are already over populated and cannot support anymore people. Due to such overcrowding the government has been forced to make crimes that would put people in jail into less harsh punishments to limit the number of people in the jails. Cloning a human would only make all of these problems worse than they are and destroy our natural planet.
Incapable of fully cloning- A prime example of this was in 1996, when Dolly the sheep was cloned. Dolly was born after 277 attempts. It took 277 cell fusions, 29 early embryos developed and were implanted into 13 surrogate mothers. Only one pregnancy went full turn, making Dolly the sheep. Dolly did not live a normal life though. A normal sheep can live to the age of 12 or 13, but Dolly had to be euthanized at age 6 ½. Throughout Dolly’s life, she faced complications as well. Dolly suffered from arthritis in a hind leg joint and from sheep pulmonary adenomatosis, a virus-induced lung tumour to which sheep raised indoors are prone. Dolly’s chromosomes were a little shorter than those of other sheep, and her early ageing reflected that she was raised from the nucleus of a 6-year old sheep. Study of her cells also revealed that the very small amount of DNA outside the nucleus, in the mitochondria of the cells, is all inherited from the donor egg cell, not from the donor nucleus like the rest of her DNA, making her not completely an identical copy. And considering Dolly was just an animal and they could not perfect her, they would not be able to perfect a human, the risk would be too great.
Human and clone embryos at risk- An embryo is a multicellular diploid eukaryote in its earliest stage of development, from the time of first cell division until birth, hatching, or germination. The embryo is where the whole process of life begins. The process of cloning harms both human and clone embryos. While studying cloning, human embryos are being tested. Embryos are being killed in order to make these tests. There are many ethical debates to go along with that as to when a person is truly alive. The process of human cloning increases the risk of harm to embryos and thus to the cloned person throughout their life. If the embryo is cloned, it is more likely to have health problem and get life threatening diseases.



Debate Round No. 1
AmbrinaDePiano1

Pro

In many cases, humans will be cloned for specific tasks, and not to walk around and live a normal life. Yes, more humans will be put on this earth, but to fight in the army, help doctors find cures, and to test products. At first the clones may not be perfect; nothing works out perfectly the first time. Clones would only be found in labs, unable to go out into the real world. Yes, Dolly was cloned after multiple attempts, but the same thing would work with cloning humans. Humans may not be cloned successfully at first, but after several attempts the cloning will be perfected and clones may take the place of your loved ones to fight for our country and test products that may hurt animals.
Playing God- Yes, there will be a greater population if humans are cloned. The population will be greater, but the clones will not live within our society. By using clones for research purposes, many cures will be found that could not have been found otherwise. We cannot find a cure with a dead body. Religion may play a part in the cloning conflict, but if a Christian found out that their mother was cured of cancer thanks to someone who was willing to be cloned, their views may change.
Overpopulation/Crime- First, you cannot just walk into a lab and asked to be cloned. A human would only be cloned if there was a reason to be. If someone had a disease or mental disorder, they would not be cloned unless it was for research purposes only. Clones would not run free in our society to do whatever they pleased. Clones would be looked after in labs, researched, studied, and perfected.
Incapable of fully cloning- The first attempt at cloning will not be perfect. No one expects it to be. The cloning will be tried hundreds, maybe thousands of times and improved to create an acceptable clone. As the years go on, technology will improve, making it easier and more efficient to create an exact replica of a human.
Human and clone embryos at risk- Although the embryo may not survive after having been cloned, it may be worth it in the long run. If an embryo is cloned and they find that that embryo has a life threatening disease, they may be able to find a cure. Yes, that one embryo may not survive, but killing that one person saved thousands of others suffering from disease.

Katzandpples1

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Rebuttal: Army- You can’t control if someone’s emotions are too strong, if someone were to just devote their lives to the army, it could get too out of hand for many reasons. One being, that if we could clone people just for the army, then other countries could too. The clones would just be disposable, being able to make more and more as the days go on, and then that would just lead to countries being more willing to go to war and that will just cause chaos all over the world. Another example of why this would be a problem is the Hitler Youth. Most of the Hitler Youth joined around when they were 10, being trained to be a loyal fighter to their country. The Hitler Youth started turning on everyone they were told wasn’t being loyal to their country. And after the war was over, they refused to stop fighting. The Hitler Youth is like cloning someone just for the army because the youth was also only told to fight, and the end result was not good.
Rebuttal: Using clones instead of animals for testing- Clone testing is just like animal testing. You are still torturing something. Although lab life would be the only life a clone would know, they would still be able to feel the pain. Also, if lab life is the only life they knew, would they be taught anything such as being able to learn how to talk, or how to listen, or how to behave correctly? If not, you would never be able to test them because they would not know how to listen and you wouldn’t be able to get them to just relax and let you do what you want to them.
Rebuttal: Cloning Humans for Curing Diseases: The bottom line of cloning in order to produce a large disposable army and mass amounts of clones to find cures for diseases is that this all costs money, money that the government already doesn’t have. In order to clone a human you need a mature human egg; 100 eggs would be needed just to obtain one cloned stem cell, per patient. Total cost =$200,000. 100 million eggs would be necessary for widespread use. Also the advancements in technology to obtain a human clone consistently without wasting cells and money isn’t there yet and to waste millions of dollars on something that may work only 4% of the time just doesn’t make sense.
Rebuttal: Cloning Humans Ovum: there has yet to be a successful clone that has lived long and the clones have yet to be an identical match, most of them are created with many diseases or infections that the original did not possess so the clone in order to see what the child would potentially be like would not be 100% valid and to waste that amount of money on something that could just potentially help is unethical. Also if we did clone ovums before birth than parents would be able to see what their child would be like and may opt for adoption or abortion before the child is even born, also unethical.

Debate Round No. 2
AmbrinaDePiano1

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Katzandpples1

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Debate Round No. 3
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