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Is it ethical to kill animals when there are other options available?

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Started: 2/7/2018 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 5 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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scarlettjames

Con

Is it ethical to eat animals when other options are available?
SupaDudz

Pro

Yes it is very ethical. Here are my opening arguments.

1) Animals provide meat in which give us the necessary amino acids to live

We can not function properly without a healthy consumption of meat. Meat gives vital amino acids to live. It is helpful for people with iron deficiency, which studies have proven is beneficial

http://healthyeating.sfgate.com...

This states that red meat can actually boost iron a ton. Without iron we become weak, but the meat we eat solves this. Meat is a vital part of our diet

2) Practices used by meat farms are unethical are bad, but the status quo already solves that by using more ethical practices by locally farms.

Recent evidence has shown ethical eating is on the rise. This means in the near future it will displace factory farms in general.

http://www.aquarianonline.com...

In an 2003 article, they talked about the unethical practices of these companies. In 2017, the consumption of ethical practices meat drastically increased! The status quo is solving
Debate Round No. 1
scarlettjames

Con

I disagree with your argument that says killing animals is ethical because small, local farms are using more ethical methods. Just because a few farms are being "ethical" doesn't mean we can excuse "unethical" farms. Not that killing animals is ethical at all, How is it ethical to kill an innocent animal that doesn't want to die. Yes plant based eating is becoming more and more popular, so why aren't more people doing it? Misinformation. People still think you need milk for calcium, and meat for iron. Humans don't need meat to get nutrients and be healthy. Surprise iron is in seeds, beans, and vegetables . And yes meat has some iron, some minerals, but think about the things that aren't good about meat. There have been hundreds of studies that it increases your risk of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. It carries the highest risk of food borne illnesses. It has hormones in it. It makes you resistant to antibiotics. Over 70% of antibiotics made, are made for farm animals so they grow quicker. Besides health, a plant based diet would help with feeding people in underdeveloped countries. We grow corn and grains for farm animals in these countries when people in these countries could be eating them.
SupaDudz

Pro

First off, milking a cow is not considered making meat, so you can not win

Extension 1)
CON: "Just because a few farms are being "ethical" doesn't mean we can excuse "unethical" farms. Not that killing animals is ethical at all, How is it ethical to kill an innocent animal that doesn't want to die. Yes plant based eating is becoming more and more popular, so why aren't more people doing it?"

No, the status quo is solving already. The comparison between unethical vs ethical is staggering. The latest studies show that more ethical practices are used to eat animals even by major corporations. If farms are unethical, they get strict punishment by the federal government, as there are laws against the unethical practice of slaughter. Ethical uses are used now and are growing.

An animal is a general term in this debate. There are animals that are NOT innocent. But I know what you are referring to, and I will use that interpretation which is farm-based.

Animals die off anyway. Animals would provide no use if they were just lying around there grazing away the grass. If an animal is doing nothing, we should put it to use. We are using the animal to help the human be healthy and stable. We need animals to survive and we need them to live.

I am not generally talking about a plant diet. I am referring to a Non-GMO type product, but I will adapt. The USA has seen a dramatic increase in Non-GMO and vegetarians in 2017. One of the biggest topics of debate, a scientist in a recent documentary said. We are seeing such high increases in numbers. You can't people aren't doing it. You can't control what people eat.

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Ext 2
CON "meat for iron. Humans don't need meat to get nutrients and be healthy. Surprise iron is in seeds, beans, and vegetables . And yes meat has some iron, some minerals, but think about the things that aren't good about meat." There have been hundreds of studies that it increases your risk of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc"

Yes they have iron, but they don't provide enough of iron to make it so your able to function. The biggest problem with vegetarians is that they are tired or weak. This is because they are missing vital amino acids to make their body function.

Your claim saying eating meat risks cancer. However, this is only for processed meats and SOME red meats. A balanced diet will prove less likely getting cancer from these meats. We need to educate the people about meat overconsumption. In fact, there has been studies linked to preventing cancer by meat. No more than 455g of meat will reduce your risk.

"It carries the highest risk of food borne illnesses. It has hormones in it. It makes you resistant to antibiotics. Over 70% of antibiotics made, are made for farm animals so they grow quicker. Besides health, a plant based diet would help with feeding people in underdeveloped countries. We grow corn and grains for farm animals in these countries when people in these countries could be eating them."

That is it if it maintained poorly, which Ext 1 solves with regulatory processes.

In underdeveloped countries, there could be more animals than feritle soil. Even if we convert them to this plant diet in the CON world, we would risk soil erosion, as we would need to feed entire population of off the Non-GMO food. Overworking the soil causes soil erosion which risks global warming. If there is no soil and no animals, people starve which devastates their economic growth.
Debate Round No. 2
scarlettjames

Con

First off, milking a cow might not mean meat but it still harms the animal.

1. How is it ethical to kill an innocent animal that doesn't want to die? How do you justify that? There are other options available so why eat meat? How do you ethically kill an animal? How do you ethically kill a person? Ethically rob someone? How about ethically rape someone? Cows are artificially inseminated (raped) to make them pregnant. Not just once, but over and over and over until they die at a unnaturally young age.
2. Meat is not necessary, in fact, you're better off without it.
3. Children are entering puberty earlier because we are feeding animals hormones. Even if we didn't put hormones in them they already have hormones naturally.
4. I don't know why you think vegans are weak and tired, when I switched to a plant based diet I had so much more energy and lost a lot of unhealthy fat.
5. I'm not saying convert people in underdeveloped countries to a plant based diet. I'm saying let them harvest the crops they are growing, for US farm animals, for themselves to eat. Thats where most of the food for farm animals comes from. No soil erosion.
6. I'm not sure how you justify what you said "Animals die off anyway. Animals would provide no use if they were just lying around there grazing away the grass. If an animal is doing nothing, we should put it to use. We are using the animal to help the human be healthy and stable. We need animals to survive and we need them to live."
What about other animals that just "lie around". Do we need to put them to use too? And like I've said before we don't need animal products to live. Please read https://www.vegansociety.com...
SupaDudz

Pro

Milking a cow is not hurting a cow as you are not killing it. You are using its milk for nutrients

1. You can not justify raping someone and robbing someone. Those things don't kill people and are unethical. Again, you are using cows getting rape as an ethical practice when it is not. PETA talks about ETHICAL ways to receive the meat and proteins from animals. Ethical practices are even on the increase due to the awareness.

CONCEDED: You concede that ethical practice is on the rise. This removes the unethical practices in the long term and we don't need to debate that killing them is bad when it is morally acceptable. PETA agrees, it outweighs the argument. Vote PRO

2. MEAT IS ESSENTIAL TO THE BODY! Sure, plant's can provide some nutrients leave behind, but it doesn't cover ALL. This is why meat is a necessary part of a healthy diet. It's bad to eat a ton of meat, but the perfect balance is the healthiest

3. This is a new argument in R3. This is unfair. Vote PRO on fairness, but I will extend.

NON GMO's ARE ON THE RISE! The status quo is already solving. You dropped that as well, so this would solve this argument

4. I have again, talked to many vegans myself since you want to be personal. My close friend Jonas actually switched the vegetarianism. He said his main problem was not having vital nutrients to make him active. We can argue personal there as well but let's not.

Scientific Evidence has proven meat gives the vital amino acids and the sustainable amino acids to keep your body function properly

5. Soil erosion is where the overwork of soil in the ground wastes it's nutrients and collapse. Not only would have to feed themselves, they would have to feed the Americans that they export too. THIS IS THEORETICAL IMPOSSIBLE, BUT LET'S USE FIAT HERE!!

The revenue would be tiny, as Trump would bargain and make the less developed get less than deserved. We would be making work and make plants for free, just for us and them. That turns this argument as soil erosion would be more extensive.

6. ANIMALS ARE VITAL TO GIVING US THE KEY NECESSITIES TO LIVE.

If we don't take advantage of them, we can't function as humans as they have rooted. Letting take up oxygen for breathing is worse. Let them be put the use.

I counter source with a more reliable source than a bias website: https://www.theguardian.com...


In conclusion, since the CON concedes that the status quo solves, you should vote PRO on us solving

Cheers to the opponent!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by SupaDudz 5 months ago
SupaDudz
The debate is over...
Posted by scarlettjames 5 months ago
scarlettjames
You obviously haven't done any research if you think milking a cow doesn't hurt them. https://www.youtube.com... watch this video and tell me it doesn't hurt them. And yes if you do not eat a balanced healthy diet you will feel tired, for any diet, vegan, vegetarian, whatever. And I'm don't know how many times I have to say it, it is not ethical to kill animals for food. Whether you cut their throats, beat them to death, shoot them. put them to sleep, the animal doesn't want to die so it shouldn't have to.
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