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Debatwinnerpro
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Champybeat
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Is it possible to go to heaven without believing in Christ?

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Started: 12/13/2017 Category: Religion
Updated: 7 months ago Status: Debating Period
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Debatwinnerpro

Pro

first round acceptance.
Champybeat

Con

Hello, friend.
I accept this debate, and therefore argue that the Christ himself claims that salvation and forgiveness is only available through him; that is, I argue we are sinners and the only way we can be forgiven for sinning against our infinite Creator (and therefore we deserve an infinite punishment - hell), is by putting our faith in the Christ and his death on the cross for us to save us from our sins, and we accept his resurrection to life three days later. For we are saved by the grace of God alone through faith alone in Christ alone.
I"m excited for the debate.
Debate Round No. 1
Debatwinnerpro

Pro

1. Genesis 5:24 "Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away."

2. Hebrews 11:5 "By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was commended as having pleased God."

both of those verses show Enoch being took to heaven without dying. The problem is that Enoch was around before Christ, he didn't believe in him.

and...

If we have to ask for forgiveness to go to heaven, Then why doesn't the bible tell us to pray to him for forgiveness?

you also state "I argue we are sinners and the only way we can be forgiven for sinning against our infinite Creator (and therefore we deserve an infinite punishment - hell)"

this is a different topic that i can debate later, but i don't believe hell is forever (don't argue this... that's for another debate)
Champybeat

Con

Hello.
In the Old Testament, people were still saved by faith - faith in God"s promise of a coming Messiah, who would save them from their sins. "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek" (Romans 1:16). Indeed, in one sense, the Jews had an advantage over the Gentiles; salvation was given to them first, because it was through them that the Messiah came. We are condemned not because of our absense of something (e.g. faith), but our presence of something (rebellion and sin against God). This is why we all deserve the wrath of our Creator, and must spread the good news of Christ Jesus and his saving work to all the world, just as the Jews did with the surrounding nations (spreading the gospel to the Gentiles; Christ commanded us to spread the gospel to all nations in Matthew 27). And before the Christ came, people were saved the same way after he came - faith. Those who put their faith in the coming Messiah were saved, and had Christ"s righteousness imputed on them (just as we under the new covenant must put our faith Christ to receive salvation and forgiveness, as we have the gospel fully revealed to us). Saint Paul addresses this clearly in Romans 4: "For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"" (Romans 4:3). He further goes into how Abraham was only justified by faith, not works.
"And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). "Jesus said to him, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"" (John 14:6). Christ is the only way of salvation. Salvation is by faith in Christ. Yes, most of the time we pray to God that we are putting our faith in his Son and his saving work, and so ask for forgiveness of sins. But we If we truly believe in what Christ did, it doesn"t say we *have* to pray (I do believe it is best to though, as it shows we, in humily, ask our Creator for forgiveness [ Saint Paul does say we confess with our mouth Christ is Lord]).
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by beefcurtians 7 months ago
beefcurtians
Would you be angry at a small child if they broke one of your rules, without knowing it was a rule?
Posted by intenzfrost 7 months ago
intenzfrost
You cant be held responsible for truth you did know.
so next in line is if you had a sincere heart and seeked higher power
Posted by Debatwinnerpro 7 months ago
Debatwinnerpro
follower of christ i forfeit because i think he is right...
Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 7 months ago
FollowerofChrist1955
Saw the question ... know the answer.

Just assumed you WANTED the true answer .... sorry, isn"t the answer WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR?
Don"t want to know? Don"t ask!
Posted by Debatwinnerpro 7 months ago
Debatwinnerpro
i forfeit
Posted by Debatwinnerpro 7 months ago
Debatwinnerpro
@followerofchrist1955 is this your debate?
Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 7 months ago
FollowerofChrist1955
Question: Is it possible to go to heaven without believing in Christ?
Answer: NO
confirmation by Scripture: John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."

Acts 10:43
All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name."

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 10:29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

Hope this answers your question.
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