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Is it too easy to get a gun?

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Started: 2/27/2013 Category: Society
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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642chris

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Is it too easy to get guns?
Anishakc123

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It's not easy to get guns.

In New Jersey, private gun sales between citizens are only legal if both parties possess valid Firearms Purchaser Identification Cards (FID) and complete a Certificate of Eligibility (CE). Copies of the CE must be retained by the purchaser and seller and an additional copy must be sent to the State Police.

Private sales, whether at a gun show or not, apply only to long arms (rifles and shotguns); pistols may not legally be exchanged directly between individuals.

All firearms legally purchased from a gun dealer at a gun show are subject to the Federal National Instant Check system (a "so called" NICS check). There are no exceptions.

At an out-of-state gun show, pistols cannot be purchased directly by New Jersey residents. The pistol must be transferred from the out-of-state dealer to another gun dealer in New Jersey and each dealer must have a Federal Firearms License (FFL).

A New Jersey resident may then obtain the pistol from the New Jersey dealer only after securing a pistol permit from the local police department and passing a NICS check.

Demonstrators say the legislation violates their Second Amendment rights. The bill was passed in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shootings in an effort to reduce gun violence, but people here say it was passed too soon.
"Passing a bill in the middle of the night that people don"t have a chance to understand is ridiculous," said Mark Zieno, a Norwich resident.

"There's a lot more things we could do for school security, but to attack honest citizens that have already gone though all the procedures," said Vickers. "It's not easy to get a handgun in New York State,. We have one of the toughest restrictions on guns as it is here. Also the assault weapons were already banned."
Protestors say most gun owners are responsible.

"There"s like 300 million guns circulating in the U.S. and 99 percent are owned by law abiding citizens, 90 percent of crimes committed are with illegal guns," said Assemblyman Clifford W. Crouch.

Zieno added, "We hear about these great big mass murders, but really, there"s very few people that are out doing those things. There"s many more people who are completely legal and following the law."

Protestors from all over New York State will head to the Capitol on Tuesday to raise their concerns.
The State Rifle and Pistol Association recently filed a notice of claim to overturn New York"s sweeping gun control law.

Gun registration: The shooting was carried out using firearms which were stolen from a person who legally purchased them, had a background check, and filed and was granted a purchase permit. The mass shooter in Norway acquired his weapons under a regulatory regime of full registration, as did the perpetrators of the two infamous school massacres in Germany in the 2000s. Registration of firearms prevents mass shootings in the same sense that automobile registration prevents DUI " they don"t, they can"t, and they"re not intended to.

Assault weapons ban: Connecticut has one, and the weapon was legal under it. The reason is simple, and common to all versions of the assault weapons ban " "assault weapon" is an inherently meaningless concept whose legal definition is essentially cosmetic. Most people are inclined to think of machine guns when they hear the term, but machine guns have already been generally banned since the 30s. The only meaningful version of an assault weapons ban would be a ban on semi-automatic firearms generally. These are the weapons that fire one shot per trigger pull (as opposed to weapons like muskets, pump-action shotguns, and bolt-action rifles). However this category is just "most guns". Almost all pistols, most hunting shotguns, and many hunting rifles are semi-automatic. A ban on scary-looking firearms in any nontrivial way is effectively a ban on all firearms.

Total prohibition of firearms: In a country with well over two hundred million firearms, it is logistically impossible. But if it weren"t, there is not much reason to believe it would do any good. Guns can be acquired illegally and are not required for mass murder in the first place. The worst school massacre in US history was carried out by a bomber in Michigan. The Oklahoma City bombing killed nineteen children and a hundred and fifty adults. The Columbine shooters attempted to go down in infamy as the Columbine bombers and would have killed many more people had their improvised propane bombs not mercifully failed. While bombs require a modicum of effort, more lethal than any single mass shooting was the 1990 Happy Land arson, the perpetrator of which killed 87 people with a gallon of gasoline. The most lethal mass shooting prior to the shooting in Norway was carried out by a South Korean police officer in a country where civilian possession of firearms is prohibited. Norway itself does not completely prohibit firearms ownership but the restrictions are extremely tight. Prohibition has a terrible track record at preventing dedicated psychopaths from mass murder. For that matter, is has a terrible track record at preventing violent crime of the more mundane sort.

Secure schools: If you"re determined to herd children into buildings with no law enforcement or other responsible armed adults (mass shootings almost exclusively happen in areas that are both 1) "gun free" and 2) don"t have law enforcement presence), at least build the buildings in a safe way. Though the accuracy of the initial days of reporting have been an unmitigated debacle, it now appears as though a few decent door locks would have kept the shooter outside the school and away from the kids. People sometimes miss or (worse) dismiss simple security solutions, but like airliner cockpit doors post 9-11, they have been proven repeatedly in ways that huge invasions and drone campaigns have not.
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Posted by qf200011 4 years ago
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He is new he doesn't know what to do.
Posted by ExiOrca 4 years ago
ExiOrca
Resolved shouldn't be in form of question.
And are you even serious about debating this or do you just want opinion on gun control...
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