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Is killing other people for survival OK?

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Started: 3/27/2015 Category: Philosophy
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mrandid832

Con

Do you think killing another human being is justified if for means of survival?
I believe that there are more important things than survival. At what point is the need to kill another in order to survive wrong? What type of life involves killing others in order to live a life full of sorrow? Putting others lives beneath your own.What makes them less worthy of life? A better question would be what make you more worthy? By reading this you have probally answered many question that basically questioned your moral and ethic stand points. At what point does survival become a self functioning device of touture? In the end I picked con/against but I still haven't answered the questions above myself.
TurtleComputer

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Well what gives anyone the right to do anything? Power. Power gives people rights and control. Control over people is the most dangerous thing in the world. Look at history and see what it has done. Truly life can be a torture device, but death can be a weapon to show power and control. It may not be morally right, but it does the trick. Death scares people, and you could defiantly use that to your advantage. However, to fully answer this question you have to specify what "survival" is. Is it just a working body? Is it a working mental state? Is it a social life and people who love you? Is it all of the above plus food, clothes, an education, and proper housing? These categories can be flexible, for example you don"t have to ever go out with friends but you can still have some and that could be a proper social life, but let's say that true life and survival is defined as the last option. Well then killing just may be necessary.
Let's look back to the section on power. Up there I pointed out how power gives people rights and, consequently, control. Having some form of power is defiantly necessary to survival. You are always above someone in life, that"s just how society works and whether or not that is right is another debate topic. To display that power killing is always an option. Take the Mafia for example. The Mafia would (and ones that still exist will, but I"m going to be using past tense or this.) kill people to gain power, show power and control, and to get rid of people or groups in their way. Morally, this way was not right, but did it do the trick? Yes. It also made sure that they survived. In this case, killing was detrimental to their survival. No one dared to go up against them, besides the Police and maybe other Mafias but that depended on how much power someone had, so they lived pretty. They provided for their families and themselves. They had a working body, a working mental state, a family, food, clothes, most likely an education of some kind, and proper housing. They survived. It was OK because they survived, and really whether it's OK or not depends on what side you're on. If you're the Mafia's leader's little five year old daughter who sets up a tea party for herself, her father, and her stuffed animals, complete with tutus, you're going to think everything is OK as long as your daddy comes home. Or even if that child is a 18 year old, as long as your dad comes home everything is OK. However, if you're the newly-widowed 40 year-old woman with four children you're going to think it's barbaric. Truthfully it depends on what side of the situation you're on.
Debate Round No. 1
mrandid832

Con

I agree with your statement about people doing what they feel is necessary. But my question was is it right.As you have stated multiple times in the above paragraphs it isn't necessarily right depending on what side of the argument you are on. Using your example of the mafia,are you telling me that killing others to gain "power" is the only means in which you could survive or is it a choice? Don't you think the reason they kill is because they are trying to escape the life they have or make it better. To stop surviving and start living,and I mean really living. So again It comes back to killing vs making a life for your self. Obviously most people would choose to kill,but in the end ,what type of life are they making for themself. Imagine that little girl at the tea party. She believes in order for her to succeed she must destroy the lives of other people not just that of whom she killed, but the families of the dead.Instead knowing that she can make something of herself with out taking from somebody else.Can't a person have power from being the boss of a company or being president? Why do you think power only comes as a sacrifice of others life.What gives you the "power" to decide who lives or dies. In your previous statement about people always being on different levels in society is irelvent to this entire debate. We are talking about survival in the simplest form,just living. As you said the little girl would think everything is OK, but is it really? Could it be more than OK? Well not for the dead person. Its funny how you used the example of the widowed woman.Even with the problems she has/ had she isn't going and killing other people to make her somewhat bad life better,even if she had the "power" I bet she wouldnt in an attempt to set an example for her children. Just because you have the right or power to do something doesn't justify a actions as cruel as killing." An OK life comes from physical survival, but the good life comes from what we stand for" and I for one don't stand for killing.
TurtleComputer

Pro

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Debate Round No. 2
mrandid832

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TurtleComputer

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