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Is marching band a sport?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/26/2015 Category: Sports
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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jhenley9111

Pro

I have been wanting to create this debate for a while. In this debate I would like to use the definition from Dictionary.com.

"an athletic activity requiring skill and physical prowess and often of a competitive nature"
jobosno

Con

Hello jhenley9111 and thanks for the interesting debate topic. I'll be arguing the Con.

I must admit that I believe the dictionary definition provided is a good descriptor of sports, I do not believe that all activities covered by this definition would be what we would consider "sports" in a more colloquial use of the word.

To put it simply, a word is not simply its dictionary definition. Rather, the words we use often have a spirit to them that is harder to convey in a dictionary without applying a subjective spin to the dictionary entry. More importantly, language changes with how people use it and think about it. If you asked people on the street 25 years ago if "selfie" was a word, they'd probably consider it a nonsense word. I can assure you, though, that the concept of taking a picture of yourself still existed. Sure, language purists today might still consider the word "selfie" nonsense but the same dictionary from which you pulled your definition has an entry for "selfie." Language changes based on how people use it and think about it, and therefore the definition of a sport is flexible.

For example, people compete in the Gloucester Cheese Rolling contest every year. I imagine some people practice for this, and it is a game in which your skill/physical ability to run down a steep hill after a round object determines how well you will finish. I, however, would not consider anyone chasing after a runaway tire, rolling down a hill, or collecting rolling objects to be unknowingly practicing a sport. I can't say for sure, but I imagine you wouldn't do so either.

That covers the technicalities, I think. Language changes based on how we think of it and just because something meets the technical definition of a sport does not mean that it is considered one by common usage.

Marching band is something I admire greatly. As someone with no musical talent, I admire the ability of many people to synchronize their respective instruments while still focusing on their orientation on-field. I think it's difficult and deserves a great deal of respect (which I will gladly give it), but for me and many others, marching band is simply not a sport.
Debate Round No. 1
jhenley9111

Pro

I think we can agree on how difficult marching band can be. Especially quality marching programs like drum and bugle corps. You spend hours upon hours rehearsing in the hot sun and conditioning in the off season. My argument is that marching band is no different from any other sport.

A band competition is the equivalent of a football's teams playoff game. Like football, there are referees (we call them judges). Their job is to deduct points from the bands overall performance. Marching bands have to work together to score has high as they can. Just like a football player has to practice making the perfect tackle, a band member has to practice how to march forward, back, left, and right with perfect precision.

Bands run a mile a day so they can march. They do every stretch and exercise that you do in football. Injuries accrue just as much in band than in football.

Not only is band a physical sport, but a mental one. One has to memorize at least 60 spots on the field. Not to mention music and visuals.
jobosno

Con

Marching band shares a number of similarities to sports like football, that much is true. However, some of these similarities do not contribute to marching band's candidacy as a potential sport.

For example, the scoring process is an essential part in any competition. This does not a sport make. However, you addressed the physical exertion aspect too.

You noted that the practice rivals that of football players in terms of stretching and other exercises. While practicing helps prepare the participants for a competition, it is not the practice that makes a sport. If this were the case our definition of a sport would be expanded greatly based on how people prepare for various tasks in their life. Instead, let's focus on the competition aspect.

As we said, the scoring doesn't mean much in and of itself. What we should look at is the scoring aspect of marching band. Where is the primary emphasis of the marching band competition? This tells us what the groups that are competing strive to achieve. In American football, points are scored through a combination of out-muscling and out-running the opposition. This tells us that the emphasis in football is on either being stronger, more agile, or more clever than your opponent. In a common understanding of sports, sports *typically* (not always) will award points in a way that suggests the emphasis is on physical achievement. In marching band competitions, the vast majority of the emphasis is on the music being played. Does the percussion go well with the wind instruments? Overall, does the band have a good sound? Only a relatively small portion of the points go to the marching aspect.

I personally agree with this breakdown of the points, that this is how the points should be allocated. After all, they are a marching *band* and a band's main function is to play music that is pleasing to the ears. However, I think most people would agree that the acts alone of synchronized marching or of playing music are not sports (especially the playing of music). When combined, they have a little more merit, but marching band remains an artistic form of competition. It requires a strong mind and is physically difficult. But at its core, it is a musical pursuit that aims to entertain with a movement aspect. While marching band is tough and requires mental and physical stamina, it ranks among ballet as a demanding art form, not among rugby and hockey as a competition of physical form.
Debate Round No. 2
jhenley9111

Pro

My opponent argued that the vast majority of the emphasis is on the music being played in competition. This could never be further than the truth. Points are awarded in three categories- General effect, Visual effect, and music. Most of the points are given for marching. This is what separates marching band from concert band. My opponent seems to think that the main focus of a marching band is music. They may be right if it was the 1950's but it's not.

You mentioned that it seems that the bands are battling the judges and not other bands. That is false. Like football, It's who is more prepared to competition.

One study shows one marching band member, during a parade, works harder than a football player does during a game. When conmpared to a parade, a marching band member works about twice as hard in a field show.

A member needs to know how to properly march, have their music completely memorized, count, move, play, and remember what to do before and after the show, all at the same time. How many football players can count and catch a ball at the same time? Sure they have to remember the play, but that's just one thing. Football players need skills too, but they don't need as many. Marching band members have to remember at least six things all at once. One member can multi-task better than any other athlete in another sport.

work cited

"Marching Band Should Be Considered a Sport." Soprt of Band. Web. 31 July 2015.
jobosno

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Debate Round No. 3
jhenley9111

Pro

It looks like Con has forfeited this round. However if Con wishes to continue this debate, I will post my remaining arguments.
jobosno

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
jhenley9111

Pro

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jobosno

Con

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by llllllllllllllswag 1 year ago
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Posted by llllllllllllllswag 1 year ago
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Posted by llllllllllllllswag 1 year ago
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Posted by jobosno 1 year ago
jobosno
My apologies. I had forgotten about this debate with my work schedule the past few week or two. Thankfully I don't have many new arguments to introduce.
Posted by TheOpinionist 1 year ago
TheOpinionist
Pretty cool
Posted by jhenley9111 1 year ago
jhenley9111
I play trumpet in my band. We are actually the best in Louisiana.
Posted by TheOpinionist 1 year ago
TheOpinionist
That is, assuming you're in a marching band. I guess you are if your profile avatar is a picture of you, but I could be wrong.
Posted by TheOpinionist 1 year ago
TheOpinionist
@jhenley9111 what do you play? I'm a rhythmic percussionist. Just got appointed section leader this year, actually.
Posted by TheOpinionist 1 year ago
TheOpinionist
And yes companies compete for profit... Did you think they shared all the oil?
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Vote Placed by Midnight1131 1 year ago
Midnight1131
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Reasons for voting decision: FF, Con forfeited 3 rounds, Pro only 1, and that was after 2 of Con's forfeits.