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holyscoop
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justin.graves
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Is morality objective?

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Started: 5/21/2013 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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holyscoop

Con

There is no evidence for objective morality. Most ideas of what is "right" or "wrong" are vague unless derived from religious text. Unless a specific religion is proved right, no moral objective for which all people ought to follow is existent.
justin.graves

Pro

Accepted!
Debate Round No. 1
holyscoop

Con

Can you offer a rebuttal?
justin.graves

Pro

Sure. Sorry, I'm used to the first round being acceptance. Let's get started.

Morality:
" Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior."

Dictionary.com

My objective morality definition:
"Principles concerning what and wrong that are infallible, completely true, and cannot change."


So, if a moral code claims to be truth, infallible, and unchangeable, it is a claim of objective morality. Now listen to what my opponent said:

" no moral objective for which all people ought to follow is existent."

That is a claim of absolute morality. The morality is that everyone should follow what they deem right. Whatever that is is moral. So, in my opponent's claiming there is no objective morality, he made a claim of absolute morality!

I rest my case.
Debate Round No. 2
holyscoop

Con

My opponent made a fallacy.

"Whatever that is is moral."

he made that assumption when it was clear my premises do not follow.
what they deem right isn't necessarily right.
it is what they deem right and that is all.
morality exists only in the minds of men
justin.graves

Pro

justin.graves forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
holyscoop

Con

holyscoop forfeited this round.
justin.graves

Pro

Guess this means we're even. Anywho... let's get back to basic logic.

Let me take a moment and clarify the meaning of "objective." In this context, it means "absolute." Something that is always right.

My opponent made an absolute statement: "There is no evidence for objective morality."

That is an absolute, objective statement.

So, I was simply pointing out that, if my opponent's statement is logically impossible.

1. My opponent claimed that absolute morality is absolutely impossible, meaning nothing is moral or immoral

2. Yet that is an absolute statement about morality.

3. So not matter what, absolute/objective morality exists.

Thank you, and good night.
Debate Round No. 4
holyscoop

Con

I think the source of our miscommunication is our definition of absolute or objective morality. I never claimed that objective or absolute truth does not exist, because that statement itself would have to be absolutely true... I claimed that objective morality is non-existent.
justin.graves

Pro

Let's try this one... more... time!

Statement: There is no absolute/objective morality.

Yet that is a absolute moral statement (i.e. There absolutely is no morality!).

So by stating that there is no absolute/objective morality...

You are stating an absolute/objective morality!

This has nothing to do with absolute truth. However, it does use the same logic, simply on a slightly more complicated scale.

Remember that Con has the Burden of Proof!

Thank you and Good Night!
Debate Round No. 5
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro said Con used absolute truth, and if there is absolute truth then there is absolute morality. Despite Pro acting like it's common sense and repeating it several times, I see no actual argumentative value. But on the other hand, Con didn't even offer any arguments. Both forfeited. No sources given. 100% ground tie. -__-