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andyshinnn
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daniel.droege5
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Is the US Constitution a tryannical document? Too much power?

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Started: 9/21/2012 Category: Politics
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andyshinnn

Con

1. Government will prevent factions from gaining control.
2. The national government will protect the rights of the people so well that they will gain support and loyalty. Loyalty will be gained through results.
3. The power of the central government is limited. The Constitution does give more power to the government, but it will be limited to dealing with tasks that face the entire nation. (i.e. trade, currency, and defense)
4. The powers given to the central government are necessary.
5. A national balance of power protects the states.
6. It is better to keep individual rights ambiguous.

Please state arguments that the Constitution is a tyrannical document!
daniel.droege5

Pro

Thank you, Con for the opportunity to debate this issue.

I will prove that the Constitution is a tyrannical document in two ways.

First to define the Constitution, I would say that the US Constitution is the document that created the US Federal Government and restrict its powers in order to promote liberty and protect the life and property of citizens.

Tyranny is a form of ultimate power that is oppressive and controlling.

The first way I will prove it is a tyrannical document is that the Constitution oppresses and controls the federal government. The US Code is the rule of law to the citizens of the United States as the Constitution is the rule of law to the government.

The second way I will prove the Constitution is a tyrannical document is that since it is the controlling document of the federal government, it is the responsibility of the document to keep the government from becoming tyrannical. I will use past examples in history to prove that the Constitution failed to do this and then I will prove it continues to do so.

E1.
The detention and theft of personal property of over 100,000 Americans of Japanese descent during WWII. Instead of individual rights and protection of liberty, they were kidnapped and imprisoned against their will. This should prove that the Constitution is a tyrannical document whenever the government wants it to be.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

E2.
Slavery in the United States was never prevented by the Constitution until after the civil war and civil rights were denied for another 100 years. Women were also denied equal rights of property ownership, certain professions, and suffrage like other minorities.

http://en.wikipedia.org...(1955%E2%80%931968)

E3.
Prohibition of alcohol was oppressive and controlling. It is proof that a small amount of organized people could use their religious beliefs to scare people enough into voting for horrible amendments to the Constitution that is responsible for countless deaths and corruption in the bootlegging black market that took its place.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Now that I have proven that the US Constitution has the capacity to be used in a tyrannical manner because it has been done before by institutionalized racism, removal of due process, disenfranchisement, amendment, and executive order; I will prove that the Constitution is CURRENTLY a tyrannical document.

A1.
Abdul-Rahman al-Awlaki was a 16 year old American boy who was living with his father in Yemen who was also an American citizen. In October 2011, both were targeted by two separate US drone strikes. We were not at war with Yemen. Both Americans were denied due process and assassinated.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

A2.
The US tortures people while conducting the war on terror including kidnapping and "forced anal penetration". The constitution does not protect these people from our government.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

A3.
The Constitution is tyrannical document to all human beings living abroad since its protection from government is not extended to prisoners held in secret offshore prisons.

http://www.washingtonpost.com...

I think all would agree that torture, secret prisons, no due process, and assassinations are characteristics of tyrannical power.

Summary:

The Constitution oppresses and controls the government making it a tyrannical document.

If the Constitution allows the government it created to act in a tyrannical way, it must be a tyrannical document. I believe I have shown it has been one in the past and continues to be one now. The Constitution is what ever the people in charge say it is.
Debate Round No. 1
andyshinnn

Con

andyshinnn forfeited this round.
daniel.droege5

Pro

Arguments still stand.

I hope my opponent is okay.
Debate Round No. 2
andyshinnn

Con

Hey, could you give some examples and arguments like you were at the Constitutional Convention? So you can't cite examples exceeding the 1790s. Basically, reference back to like Rome and such. Thaanks.
daniel.droege5

Pro

The US Constitution does nothing to protect the rights of Native Americans on their land. It will allow the federal government to kidnap, kill, and torture people who were not white.

I could do the rest of the work for you, but I would recommend the Anti-Federalist Papers published in the late 18th century. They will give you every argument you will need and they should be read by every American.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Another example would be the tariff. If a society is free, the federal government shouldn't restrict access to trade, even if it is abroad. Fredric Bastiat covers this quite well in The Law. Another book every person alive should read. He also raises problems with universal suffrage not being universal since it is not extended to felons, children, women, non-whites, and the mental handicap.

http://www.constitution.org...
Debate Round No. 3
andyshinnn

Con

andyshinnn forfeited this round.
daniel.droege5

Pro

Have a good weekend.
Debate Round No. 4
andyshinnn

Con

andyshinnn forfeited this round.
daniel.droege5

Pro

Please don't vote if you think the Constitution is a tyrannical document. Please vote for the most convincing argument!! :)
I don't think the constitution is a tyrannical document as it is an inanimate object, but it was a fun debate.
Thank you for helping me get my 3rd debate so I can start voting!
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