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QuantumAchilles
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TheSensibleConservative
Con (against)

Is the USA a terrorist nation?

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Started: 2/5/2017 Category: Politics
Updated: 11 months ago Status: Debating Period
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QuantumAchilles

Pro

The position I want to defend is that the USA and its allies, have taken advantage of various terrorist attacks that have occurred in recent times, such as 9/11, the 2005 london bombings and the tragedy that took place in Nice, France, to ignite hatred, racism and fanatical nationalism against the middle east, in order to justify a military response that is distorted by politicians who make it seem as a justifiable intervention in the name of democracy, when in reality, these genocidal invasions and indiscriminate air-strikes, are nothing but savage manifestations of western terrorism which leaves far more victims than all the previously mentioned Islamic attacks combined. For example, the Obama administration in 2016 dropped 26171 bombs, 12192 in Syria alone, if you calculate the number of casualties from these air bombings which affect civilians and not ISIS fighters at it is often framed by the media (proof of this is the fact that the Syrian minister openly blamed french air-forces for causing the death of 100 civilians near the city of Manbij or the 26000 civilian deaths that resulted from the war in Afghanistan) it becomes clear, that the number of victims that have perished beneath the crows of "democracy", beneath the bombs of "civilised" countries that fight for freedom by killing innocent people, is far greater than the number of victims from the various attacks attributed to ISIS and even those that Osama Bin Laden was responsible for. The 9/11 casualties were numbered at around 2996 people, the number of people killed during the Iraq war is 112,667"123,284 according to the Iraq body count project. If you add up the number of deaths caused by the Afghanistan war, by the Iraq war, by the Libyan conflict, they easily surpass the number of deaths so far caused in Europe and the USA by Isis and Al-Qaeda.
This means that the logic of the USA is to combat terrorism, a frightening form of religiously justified war that is brought directly upon the innocent with an even larger scale of destruction and bloodshed. If ISIS kills thirty innocent people, Nato kills five hundred. Furthermore, it is interesting that the USA has responded so fiercely with dictators such as Sadam hussein, Gadaffi and others but it kept silent during the dictatorships of Pinochet, of Videla and Batista in south america. When a right-wing government that is faithful to Western interests commits atrocities such as torture and mass-murder, the USA and its allies allow it to do so, as long as it fights communism, promotes neo-liberal slavery and makes sure that foreign companies and multinationals drain it's country's resources.
The consequences of invading middle-eastern countries, far beyond the removal of certain figures of power that were gripped by the media to create general hatred and a strong ignorance that makes certain people favour these so called "interventions" is the creation of torture-prisons such as Abu ghraib, the destruction of social infrastructure, the devaluation of economy and the sorrow of a nation ripped apart by bombs and bullets. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people have died victims of this war against terror.
TheSensibleConservative

Con

You have got to be kidding me. All of your argument is the literal embodiment of trash and garbage. An airstrike is not an act of terror; it's a WAR STRATEGY!!!! And yes, we have killed more terrorist than the other way around, but why is that a problem? In war, you want to hurt the enemy hard and fast, and never let up. Just because these Islamic Terrorists picked a fight they couldn't win, are we supposed to take it easy on them? NOO!!! In conclusion, your points are trash and make no sense.
Debate Round No. 1
QuantumAchilles

Pro

Typical from someone who has no knowledge of the world, who chews all the lies the media feed his little brain. You didn't even put logical arguments forward. The statistics are there. How can you explain that when Saddam Hussein was involved with the Baath, he also worked with the CIA and how do you explain that the USA only targets middle eastern "dictators" such as Hussein and Gadaffi but never did a damn thing to stop latin american dictators such as Pinochet or Videla? Civilian victims in Iraq reach nearly 200,000 people, in Afghanistan it is a similar number and don't get me started on Vietnam. Is that your definition of war? To kill INNOCENT AND DEFENCELESS PEOPLE? Air strikes are not a terrorist action if they are used against military targets but there are thousands of websites, even testimonies of USA soldiers who bluntly admit that they were actually killing off innocent people who had nothing to do with the conflict. Since 75% of the more than 12000 bombs that were dropped in Syria have killed innocent people, and because ISIS members don't walk around with a sing on their heads, the so called interventions of NATO only cause more bloodshed. Explain to me why the USA decided to take Hussein out after 40 years of exercising oppression and brutality? did they realise after 40 years that something was wrong with his government? Don't be foolish.
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7 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 7 records.
Posted by canis 11 months ago
canis
Nobody cares about who is what..Anybody cares about a nation..
Posted by QuantumAchilles 11 months ago
QuantumAchilles
You might be right. I clarify that when I speak of american terrorism I am referring not the nation itself but to its military
Posted by CosmoJarvis 11 months ago
CosmoJarvis
Clearly, America is not a "terrorist nation," but that does not mean that America has caused terror and disorder. America disrupted most of the Middle-East with the invasion of Iraq and killing of Saddam Hussein. And the goals of the Bush Administration, the ones who pushed for the invasion, were immoral and greedy.
Posted by Capitalistslave 11 months ago
Capitalistslave
It sounds like in your debate round that you are pro(for) the statement said in the resolution, but you put yourself as con. Perhaps you should change your stance to pro?
Posted by QuantumAchilles 11 months ago
QuantumAchilles
That is stupid and wrong. Because of the american intervention in Iraq: "Various scientific surveys of Iraqi deaths resulting from the first four years of the Iraq War estimated that between 151,000 and over one million Iraqis died as a result of conflict during this time.[1] A later study, published in 2011, estimated that approximately 500,000 Iraqis had died as a result of the conflict since the invasion.[2] Counts of deaths reported in newspapers collated by projects like the Iraq Body Count project found 174,000 Iraqis reported killed between 2003 and 2013, with between 112,000-123,000 of those killed being civilian noncombatants" as stated by Wikipedia, on the other hand, 250,000 people have lost their lives in the Syrian conflict and this number has been greatly increased due to air strikes. Are you saying that 151,000 to one million is smaller than 250,000 because if so, you have to learn your arithmetic again, friend.
Posted by Tom-The-Hypocrit 11 months ago
Tom-The-Hypocrit
I win
Posted by Tom-The-Hypocrit 11 months ago
Tom-The-Hypocrit
There have now been more deaths in syria where America hasn't intervened, than in Iraq where america did intervene
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