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Is the banking concept opressive?

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Started: 4/7/2013 Category: Philosophy
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ogunnowow

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Many students go to school dreading it, knowing their day will be filled with the upmost "boredom," Why? Because they don"t want to go to their classes, and it is as simple as that. It could be for reasoning"s such as: having no friends in that class, a dislike towards the educator"s style of teaching or, no understanding of the material being taught. The last reasoning"s is based off the banking concept. This may not be known to the students because they have been going to school for majority of their lives, thinking that the type of teaching they have encountered is the right kind. But having no understanding of the material being taught is main reason why students cannot find that pure and sincere desire to excel in their education, reason being that: the banking concept is oppressive. And it is unfortunate because students have gone through the banking concept for so long, that it has become the norm, and has become widely excepted because it has been used for so long. But I tell you that, the use of the banking concept must be changed immediately.
malaika56

Con

Freire refers to an education system where "The teacher presents the material to the students for their consideration, and re-considers his earlier considerations as the students express their own." This is the exact reason why students are yet to learn the information they need for the career they hope to pursue. There are things you absolutely have to know in a profession to be excellent at it , to call it a craft , or to say your an expert . How exactly do you suppose the students will learn these things if they are not taught it by someone who knows that skill. And how do you suppose that the teacher will be able to relay that information to the students, if he constantly stops to ask the students opinion . When you go for that bar exam , or the NCLEX-RN exam ,or whatever exam you must pass to get your degree ; your opinion or considerations simply will not matter . There are specific subjects for example , every level of science or math that a students opinion of will not be beneficial . These subjects are built on laws and formulas that you must know to get to the exact answer .
Debate Round No. 1
ogunnowow

Pro

You and I both, know that the banking concept is when the educator (inside or outside school grounds), has all the information, while the student is not receiving any. Majority of students have been in a classroom setting (once or more), where the teacher would just be talking, the students will be listening yet, not fully understanding. And the reason they don"t understand what is being taught, is because the students are just memorizing the material, and this is where the problem arises. Freire says in order to stop this from happening, "education should include love and personal experience." How do you expect students to understand the material when they are being "talked at," instead not "talked to?" Educators are meant to teach and educate their students; to install into them what the teachers know themselves. Like a computer, you want the information to be attainable whenever means necessary. So in order to have students comprehend what they are being taught, teachers must be able to attach the matter at hand to some sort of experience, or object that will allow the students to have a full understanding of what they are learning. For instance, to show that segregation is wrong, you tell the kids stories of what blacks went through during that time period, and you ask those students how they would feel if they were told for instance: to sit at the back of a bus. This will allow students to feel what was being felt by people who actually had to go through segregation when it was most prominent. And this approach is more impactful then the teacher just standing in front of the classroom and telling the students what they should know, and etc.
malaika56

Con

Freire refers to an education system where "The teacher presents the material to the students for their consideration, and re-considers his earlier considerations as the students express their own." This is the exact reason why students are yet to learn the information they need for the career they hope to pursue. There are things you absolutely have to know in a profession to be excellent at it , to call it a craft , or to say your an expert . How exactly do you suppose the students will learn these things if they are not taught it by someone who knows that skill. And how do you suppose that the teacher will be able to relay that information to the students, if he constantly stops to ask the students opinion . When you go for that bar exam , or the NCLEX-RN exam ,or whatever exam you must pass to get your degree ; your opinion or considerations simply will not matter . There are specific subjects for example , every level of science or math that a students opinion of will not be beneficial . These subjects are built on laws and formulas that you must know to get to the exact answer .
Debate Round No. 2
ogunnowow

Pro

You may say: if students really wanted to learn the material, they would devote themselves to what they are learning, and try their hardest to focus on what the teacher may be saying. Yet, this is not always so easy. You cannot just group and generalize students together, especially when it comes to learning because every child has a different way of obtaining knowledge, and this is exactly why the banking concept does not work. It is not only on the student to learn the material, but it is also on the teacher to figure out the best way to get all of his/her students to gain the knowledge from what he/she is teaching them. By grouping students together and having them all learn the same way causes stagnation, and leaves a bigger opportunity for students to be confused. This is so because the learners are not completely gripping unto the style and method the educator is using, yet other students are fortunate enough to receive and retain the information.
malaika56

Con

When you speak of a teaching method where teachers communicates with there students I feel that every teaching system has communication system . Its is known as an exam or a quiz. The instructor gives a lesson and they way you respond to that lesson is by taking a quiz , and that quiz will express to the teacher whether or not you understand the material . There is no way and instructor can personalize his teaching methods for every student , there is simply not enough time with a scheduled class period. That is why there are tutors and study groups for students to take advantage of . I can remember my anatomy and physiology professor who was extremely strict and intimidating , however I am a nursing major and , I knew I needed this class for my career. She was harsh at times when students would answer questions , but you know what, it pushed me to become more accurate with my work . It made me want to be the one to answer the question knowing I knew the correct answer . Ultimately I knew she was a tough teacher because sometimes tough love is the best medicine .
Debate Round No. 3
ogunnowow

Pro

Now if this is the case, some students may pick up on the material; these students will be getting good grades and answering all the questions in class, while the other learners will be viewed as if they do not care for their education because their grades are dropping so badly. Based off of Charles Taylors" "The Politics of Recognition," this is how misrecognition and non-recognition will take place. Because of the banking concept, students are misrecognized as having no true knowledge. Part of this happens because the teachers see themselves having what Freire says is: ""knowledge, a gift bestowed on those who consider themselves knowledgeable upon those whom they consider to know nothing." Many teachers ""confuses the authority of knowledge with his own professional authority, which he sets in the opposition to the freedom of the students." And this can lead to oppression on the learners in the classroom. This can lead to the idea that teachers are superior to the students, which is another form of oppression, and this is all because the banking concept has become so widely accepted. A simple way to stop all this madness"teachers must realize that they are in fact, NOT superior, and ""by reconciling the poles of the contradiction so that both are simultaneously teachers and students," (according to Taylor). Teachers should be on the same level as students because "one does not teacher others, everyone teaches one another"" which just proves to show that teachers cannot be superior to students because we are all on the same level.
malaika56

Con

Teachers are educated and they are approved to teach other beings when they are given a college degree . We all have to humble ourselves and be willing to take in the knowledge from a source in which we feel we are guaranteed to learn new ideas and concepts. That is the way the American education system is set up . The students has to be willing to receive that knowledge .Hirsch states "our students can only learn this information by being taught it". You agree that it is oppressive for a teacher to assume he knows more that the student when in actuality he may . That is why he was chosen to teach and the student was not . Would you feel confident in learning something from someone who knows less than you ? And when I say he knows more I mean in that particular subject because he as gone through the same thing as the student , and learned from someone who knew more than him at that time . As far as oppression is concerned if you can say the banking concept is oppressive , than you must agree that being employed is oppressive , obeying your parents is oppressive , and even coaching a sports team is oppressive. You would even have to agree that any form of authority is oppressive . In conclusion we all must start somewhere and we have to realize there is someone like your teacher , your boss, or your mother who struggled to have to right to decide what works and what does not .
Debate Round No. 4
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