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Is the big bang theory real

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Started: 12/20/2017 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 5 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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jackgilbert

Con

The Big Bang theory is not real. God is real and he created the earth that we are living on today. The Big Bang Theory is not real because of the complexity of life. Look at plants, animals, microscopic organisms, planets, and humans. All of these amazing things that are here can't just be a probability. There had to be someone who designed all of the amazing things that we have today. And if the Big Bang theory were true, then why aren't there explosions happening all the time? And if the law of conservation of energy is true, then where did the energy that started the big bang come from? What caused the explosion? To these questions no one has an answer to.
Penrose_stairs

Pro

Big Bang is not an explosion. It is the process of the universe expanding. No one knows where the energy that creates the universe comes from, but it does not mean that the Big Bang theory is wrong. The Big Bang theory cannot explain everything, neither do religion. Can you tell me why God create the world in 6 days, not 8, not 10?
The law of conservation of energy is not always true. Students are taught this law at school, but it does not mean it is true to all cases. It is true in most real life cases we encounter, that's why we are taught this way. For example photons, as space expands, the photon's wavelength increases (all distances increase, so that includes the photon's wavelength!). This is called "redshift". Since energy is inversely proportional to wavelength, this means that the energy of photons decreases as space expands.
How can you prove that God is real? You can't. The probability of life existing in the universe is very low, but what if there are many universe and only one/few of them actually contains life? That's called multi-universe.
I am agnostic, not atheist. I won't say 100% God does not exist, because no one can prove whether God exists.
You think complexity is a proof to God. Let's look at the Bible. Do you think the Earth, the universe, and life, such complicated things can be created within 6 or 7 days? The church accepted that the story of God creating everything in 7 days may not be correct, as the people who write the Bible tries to write God's creation in an interesting way that people can understand. I study in an Catholic school and the religion teachers all said that science theories like Big Bang and evolution can be used to explain the origin of life and the universe, without contradiction to religion.
Debate Round No. 1
jackgilbert

Con

I want to take a step back for a minute and look at what evidence the Big Bang is missing. There are two primary things that the Big Bang cannot explain. One is how can something come from nothing? People who believe in the Big Bang theory will say that the universe and energy is what created something. But where did they come from. They say that the universe has always existed, but according to universetoday.com the universe is running out of energy, this means it is not eternal. This is where the Big Bang Theory runs into trouble. If there is no God, then because everything has to come from somewhere, there was once nothing. So unless nothing can create something the Big Bang Theory contradicts itself. Another unaddressed issue of the Big Bang theory is the complexity of life. If take a look at examples of life, it is extremely complex. If you look DNA, According to science if you were to write out all of the information in a tiny sample of DNA, you would have written out more information then there is on encyclopedia.com. Look at what all living things do. They sense and respond to changes, they reproduce, and they take energy from their surroundings and convert it to energy they can use. And look at all of the millions of species in the universe. Tigers, lions, alligators, birds. Look at all of the amazing functions and things that they do. Look at the planets. They are all amazing. This can't just be created from nothing. All of this amazing creation points to intelligent design. There had to be an amazing creator who designed this amazing universe, and made all of this come to pass. The idea of God creating the universe is more reasonable then nothing creating the universe. It just makes sense.
Penrose_stairs

Pro

The Big Bang is the process of expansion of the universe, which is not created from nothing and is not the beginning of the universe. The Big Bang theory did not explain the original origin of the universe. Even if God exists, the universe can still expand. No matter how complicated life is, it has nothing to contradict with the universe expanding.
The net energy in the universe is probably zero. Gravitational potential energy can be negative, and the positive energy can cancel them out.
This is not a debate on whether God exists. In the previous arguments, the con side has provided many evidence about why a higher spiritual power is should exists (God), but this has nothing to do with Big Bang. What if the Big Bang is a part of God's creation? Something must happen before the Bog Bang to create the universe, and that is unknown to humans nowadays.
All life is a amazing. But so what? Big Bang is the the only cause to life. In order to have life, you need a suitable planet with temperarure which liquid water exists, with enough gravity not to let oxygen and carbon dioxide escape... No one fully understand how simple elements turn into cells and complicated life, incluDing humans, but again, this has nothing to do with the Big Bang.
Do not misunderstand the topic, the Big Bang is not the beginning of the universe, not the only cause of life, and does not contradict with any religion.
Debate Round No. 2
jackgilbert

Con

The Big Bang is technically possible. Yes, God could have created the world from a big bang effect. But it does not seem like that is how the Bible states God created the universe. The Bible did not say, "The universe expanded and then there was light." The Bible says that God spoke everything into existence, and it just appeared. You can still be a Christian and believe in the Big Bang Theory, but the Bible doesn't line up with the theory that the universe expanded and caused life to form. It just does not line up with what the Bible says.
Penrose_stairs

Pro

What is the origin of God? If you think everything needs to have an origin, including the universe, then God must have an origin too. If God created the universe, who created God? Why God exists? If this question cannot be answered, the idea that the universe is created by God does not make more sense than the Big Bang. If the universe cannot come from nothing, why God can come from nothing?
The complexity of life may make people believe that the world we live in now is created by someone, but it does not mean that the one who created the universe is that God mentioned in the Bible. It can be someone else, another God, or something else. Christianity is not the only religion in the world, so considering the Bible as a way to deny the Big Bang theory is not acceptable.
Even if the God in the Bible exists, it does not mean that the Big Bang theory is unreal. The Genesis is written by human, not God himself. Even saints makes mistakes, and it is very normal and common for people to write down the process of God's creation using a way that people at that time tend to believe in and understand. Think of the knowledge of people thousands of years ago, they do not know much about how the universe forms. Therefore, writing the Genesis in a more dramatic way is a good idea at that time. Also, the Bible is not he only book that Christians should trust and believe in. The main idea of the Genesis is to show people that God actually created the universe, while the details of the creation is less important. The events stated in the Genesis is not everything. Christians are allowed to use science to explain the formation of the universe and life. The statements in this paragraph are taught in Catholic high schools in my city, so it must not contradict with religious belief. The Bible did not state that DNA is the genetic material of life. However you won't deny that it's true.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by judaism 4 months ago
judaism
Its a good thing I'm Jewish then, because while I do believe the Torah (Bible) to be of divine origin, Rabbi Nahman mentioned the Big Bang in detail centuries before the concept arrived at the feet of modern science.

So I can believe in both! It's great when science marches on, and at the same time, is proving your faith unbeknownst to the observers until the real Messiah arrives.
Posted by DrAnomaly 4 months ago
DrAnomaly
Disproving the Big Bang does not prove the existence of God. Also the claim that the universe is too complex must also be universally applied to God, therefor God requires an infinite chain of creators before him, at which only the universe can exist at the end. The universe exists, therefor this is false, and something can exist in complexity without a creator.
Posted by jackgilbert 5 months ago
jackgilbert
Scripture is still God breathed. Even though God did not actually write it himself, it was written by holy men who were taught by the Holy Spirit. It is still what God is saying
Posted by Penrose_stairs 5 months ago
Penrose_stairs
I cannot post my arguments because the website says that there is technical error, so I'll just post I here.
The Big Bang is the process of the universe expanding, not the beginning of the universe. It does not need to explain the complexity of life.
Posted by missmedic 5 months ago
missmedic
Con
"The idea of God creating the universe is more reasonable then nothing creating the universe. It just makes sense."
If this statement is accurate, and you use science to say that it is accurate, then it can not be the god of the bible, as science contradicts the bible, especially Genesis. Religion will denounce science when it disagrees with its superstitious claims, but then uses science to prove its superstitious claims, you cant have it both ways. Science never uses religion to prove anything. Religious faith is both arrogant and ignorant. Because of it's certainty
Far from being arrogant the scientific method is one of humility. It acknowledges the limits of our current knowledge. It doesn't provide explanations or answers from a position of ignorance, but investigates the unknown in an attempt to reach understanding based on empirical evidence. Surely it is the superstitious or religious approach which claims to know the answers without any evidence except "faith" that is the arrogant approach. Faith-based beliefs are what they are " they can"t be corrected through thought and experience.
Posted by Soulman4764 5 months ago
Soulman4764
God did create everything in 6 days, however, you have to realise Gods time is not human, and as I remember it does say that 1 day is like 1000 years of mans time in the bible (or something close to that). meaning every 365,0000 years is 1 year to God.
Posted by Flatstanley 5 months ago
Flatstanley
The spooogity monser an jeesis had big fiht and kachow that how erf and universe made I"m 12 and the erf es flot
Posted by missmedic 5 months ago
missmedic
The big bang theory is provisional and does not contradict our background knowledge.
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