Is the word "better" subjective or objective?
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If "better" is just subjective, then there is no way my opponent can argue that his argument is objectively
xarvon1412 forfeited this round.
I apologize for my first round, as the words look a little jumbled for some reason. Regardless, I will show in this round why my opponent's argument fails.
Rebutting My Opponent
"Again though, my point still stands. How can one say that one of the arguments is better? My argument may have more facts and things such as that to hold it up, but it's wrong."
If it is wrong, then it is objectively worse according to the criteria of soundness.
"Would you say that my argument is better or would you say that the correct one is?"
This question is completely contingent upon the criteria. If the criteria is soundness, then the correct argument is self-evidently the objectively better argument.
" I would personally say that the losing one is better because it has more to it than the winning argument."
Then this could be true, but then it would be better under a different criteria. It is not a contradiction to say that both of these propositions are true:
(i) x is better than y
(ii)y is better than x
...As long as we are discussing two different criterias
If person one has the criteria pertaining to unsoundness, and you have a criteria pertaining to soundness, then both of your arguments are objectively better, only under different sets of standards.
"However, some may feel that the winning argument is better because it won. That is their opinion."
If someone says that an argument it better, then unless there is a mistake in reasoning, it is objectively true as the statement could not even be made unless they were following a criteria.
To give an example, lets say there is a red-headed girl (girl A) and a blonde girl (girl B). Boy A says Girl A is better looking than Girl B, but Boy B says girl B is better looking than girl A. My opponent would look at this situation as evidence that there is no correct answer. This is false however, as they are both correct!This is because Boy A has red headness as his criteria, thus Girl A meets that criteria objectively better than Girl B. Boy B has a criteria that involves blondness, so Girl B meets that criteria objectively better.
So, "better" is not based on opinion. It is based on a criteria that one has set as a precondition (regardless of whether they are aware of this criteria or not). It is simply a fact that things meet that criteria objectively better than others. Therefore, the most reasonable conclusion is that "better" is indeed objective. It is based on a standard, and self-evidently, certain things meet that standard objectively better than others.
"The fact of whether or not one is better than the other lies completely in the eye of the beholder."
I responded to this assertion already in this round.
"What is better? An argument that holds true? Or an argument that has more facts and credit to it? You can not simply say, "My argument is better because it won." When clearly it wasn't because the other is of a higher quality. However you also can't say, "My argument is better because it had more put into it." because the argument lost. It's all a matter of whether or not the majority of the people believe that the argument is better or not. When it comes down to voting, some may believe that my argument is better than yours, some may believe otherwise, but in reality it all comes down to one mass opinion of who has the better argument."
Once again, my "separate criteria" argument takes care of the concern above.
If someone says something is "better" than another thing, then they are following some type of standard or criteria. Therefore, that thing actually is objectively better (assuming the person is reasoning correctly), according to a certain standard or criteria. If I say that steak tastes better than rice, but someone else says rice tastes better than steak; we are both correct. This is because my tasting experience, is different than his tasting experience, and we have our own standards. Therefore, once you qualify the difference in certain types of scenarios involving the word "better', and dissect the situation, you will realize that "better" is objective at its core. Things are objectively better than others according to the particular underlying standards. Just because those standards aren't always brought to the table, does not mean a person is simply making a statement based on opinion. Thus, the resolution has clearly been negated. Vote Con.
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Vote Placed by Ragnar 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct for missed round. Beyond that I am unsure which side is arguing which side of the question.
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