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dougefresh
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JustCallMeTarzan
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Is there is a God?

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JustCallMeTarzan
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/7/2009 Category: Religion
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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dougefresh

Pro

No matter what you may call him, a God does exist. The simplest argument of this fact is that everything had to start from somewhere. No mater what religion you believe in, the fact is that a God had to exist.

Everything had to have a starting point.
JustCallMeTarzan

Con

Pro asks "Is there a God" - the only answer Pro's position can possible accept is "Yes."

God (the capitalized God Pro uses) is defined as:

God (http://dictionary.reference.com...)
–noun
1. the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.
2. the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute: the God of Islam...
5. Christian Science. the Supreme Being, understood as Life, Truth, Love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle.

However, the argument from First Cause does not deliver God - it merely delivers something with causal power - and anyone using a modicum of logic can see that even rocks have causal power, so the argument from First Cause is utterly uncompelling.

Furthermore, the only tenable position Pro can adopt is "Yes." However, to negate the resolution, Con only need to prove "Not yes."

The only logically tenable answer to this question is "I don't know."

Thus, the resolution is negated.
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NEGATED.
Debate Round No. 1
dougefresh

Pro

after reading the comments and looking at prievous comments i realized that this debate should not actually happon, i agree with what the other coments say. I actually just put this up incase my other debate didn't get a challange. is there any way to close this debate?
JustCallMeTarzan

Con

Meh - if you admit defeat and just post something brief in the rest of the rounds, we can close the debate out and it'll get voted on... that's the quickest way...
Debate Round No. 2
dougefresh

Pro

dougefresh forfeited this round.
JustCallMeTarzan

Con

Grumble... you could at least post something to pass the time faster...
Debate Round No. 3
dougefresh

Pro

dougefresh forfeited this round.
JustCallMeTarzan

Con

Meh - no argument - Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 4
dougefresh

Pro

dougefresh forfeited this round.
JustCallMeTarzan

Con

Come on now - vote Con.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by jjmd280 8 years ago
jjmd280
all to con, of course.
Posted by dtclark2188 8 years ago
dtclark2188
In regards to the cosmological argument. You've probably already read it, but if not, I suggest reading Davide Hume's Dialogues on Natural Religion. It is both an entertaining read and provides good reason not to entertain the cosmological argument. It may help if you read some background of Hume's philosophy as it regards causation before you begin, but other than that it is a pretty self-explanatory read..
Posted by DiablosChaosBroker 8 years ago
DiablosChaosBroker
If I strengthen the cosmological argument, the answer to the question "Is there a God?" would be yes. However, the cosmological argument does not specify which God. It just gives reason to believe in God, deist God or the Abrahamic God, whatever that God might be.
Posted by DiablosChaosBroker 8 years ago
DiablosChaosBroker
That's a different story unlike the deist God. Pro make a debate with the resolution "Is there a God?" The cosmological argument only makes a good case for the deist God in general, not a God specified in any religion. In fact, Pro didn't even define what God is. If he were to define God as the universe, he would have won. The common conception of God is more likely the Abrahamic God, and most likely the Christian God. But the cosmological argument doesn't concern itself with any religion. The most that the cosmological argument can do is give reason why a deist God exists. Mind you, if Pro define God as the deist God, he would use the cosmological argument, I think. But it seems that Pro didn't want to debate anyway, so you won. :P
Posted by JustCallMeTarzan 8 years ago
JustCallMeTarzan
Meh - the cosmological argument doesn't deliver anything near what the common conception of God is...
Posted by DiablosChaosBroker 8 years ago
DiablosChaosBroker
The cosmological argument makes a case for a deist God, fulfilling the burden of the resolution.
Posted by DiablosChaosBroker 8 years ago
DiablosChaosBroker
"Therefore, they have no place in debate and should stop shitting in the sandbox." You have no place in debate if you can't stand creationist arguments.
Posted by JustCallMeTarzan 8 years ago
JustCallMeTarzan
>> "Um, the Uncertainty Principle doesn't relate to causation."

Sure it does - the uncertainty principle deals with two variables, and the more precisely you know one, the less precisely you know the other. Schrodinger's Cat is an example of this... I suppose it would have been more accurate to state that certain productions of the HUP are causal fallacies...
Posted by RoyLatham 8 years ago
RoyLatham
Um, the Uncertainty Principle doesn't relate to causation. It is just an example of something that is true that is beyond the realm of our everyday experience. If we judge from our experience, there is no reason to think that the momentum and position of something cannot simultaneously be determined with arbitrarily high position. But they can't. The argument that everything has a cause is made from everyday experience, which cannot be logically extended.

I agree that the ultimate answer is "we don't know."
Posted by JustCallMeTarzan 8 years ago
JustCallMeTarzan
Roy - the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is a causal fallacy...

Our notorious friend GodSands tried to tell me the other day that God even exists in between multidimensional branes floating about in this nothingness... There are some crazy ideas out there.

Still - the only logically tenable position is "I don't know..."
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