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Issa
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straymonolith
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Is there really a "God"?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/23/2008 Category: Religion
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Issa

Con

As in my quote, "If you put two people in a room together and take away everything they own, in no time at all they would claim boundaries and start thinking of new reasons to kill each other." I'm sure people did that very same thing back then.
Well, is there any physical proof that there really is a "God"?
How can we be sure that the "word of God" wasn't just something someone made up?
After all they say that the year Christ was born we started counting years. Why?
There were plenty of people long before Jesus Christ. Did they know what year it was?
How do we even know that all the events said to have happened really did? Maybe the first animals with a higher intelligence decided to worship random things just because they wanted someone or something to be greater than them. We all have a need to look up to something. Somebody just decided one day that their "God" is going to be the best and made sure that it wouldn't be questioned. For example, every religion is about a greater celestial being who looks over them. Hardly any of them can prove their existence.
To my opponent: Good Luck!
straymonolith

Pro

This is a tricky point to argue. Let's see what happens.

First, we need to define "God". Let's call God a supernatural, omniscient, omnipotent intelligence. There is nothing in this definition that suggests that God must interact with the universe or make "his" presence known to us. So, if I postulate that there is a God that does not interact with the universe but only observes, you cannot definitively prove that this God does not exist.

Most cultures, no matter how independently they developed, share an idea of God, which meets our definition. If you cannot offer a natural explanation for this consensus, then I can suggest a supernatural explanation; God told them.

Another argument for the existence of God is the origin of the universe, matter and energy. Why do matter and energy exist and why do the physical laws in this universe support intelligent life? Until you can offer a naturalistic explanation, a supernatural explanation can be invoked. Any supernatural being capable of creating a universe must be intelligent and must be omnipotent, by definition. This being fits our definition of God.

You would need to provide a case that is more probable than a God.

By the way, the First Testament of the bible is about events that take place about 3,000 years before Jesus. So even the bible acknowledges people before Jesus. Obviously, they did not use B.C. The Hebrews used a lunar calendar, the Babylonians had their own system, the Egyptians marked time by the flooding of the Nile, etc.
Debate Round No. 1
Issa

Con

Well that may be true but there are still many theories about how the universe was formed:

*UC Berkeley: "The big bang theory states that at some time in the distant past there was nothing. A process known as vacuum fluctuation created what astrophysicists call a singularity. From that singularity, which was about the size of a dime, our Universe was born."
(http://cosmology.berkeley.edu...)

*University of Michigan: "About 15 billion years ago a tremendous explosion started the expansion of the universe. This explosion is known as the Big Bang. At the point of this event all of the matter and energy of space was contained at one point. What existed prior to this event is completely unknown and is a matter of pure speculation. This occurrence was not a conventional explosion but rather an event filling all of space with all of the particles of the embryonic universe rushing away from each other."
http://www.umich.edu...)

*PBS: There was an "initial explosion" of a "primordial atom which had contained all the matter in the universe."
(http://www.pbs.org...)

*Big Bang theory - The universe flashed into existence from a very small agglomeration of matter of extremely high density and temperatures. As a dense, hot globule of gas, containing nothing but hydrogen and a small amount of helium, it began expanding rapidly outward.

*Steady state theory - new matter is continuously created as the universe expands, so that the perfect cosmological principle is adhered to.

Not to mention the theory of evolution:

Cosmic Evolution. The development of space, time, matter and energy from nothing.

Stellar Evolution. The development of complex stars from the chaotic first elements.

Chemical Evolution. The development of all chemical elements from an original two.

Planetary Evolution. The development of planetary systems from swirling elements.

Organic Evolution. The development of organic life from inorganic matter (a rock).

Macro-Evolution. The development of one kind of life from a totally different kind of life.

Micro-Evolution. The development of variations within the same kind of life.

Even though they are just theories you have to take into consideration that god is also a theory…
straymonolith

Pro

straymonolith forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Issa

Con

well i'm guessing my opponent doesn't care about this debate but since i have nothing to do really i just say vote for whoever has the most compelling argument thanks
straymonolith

Pro

straymonolith forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by zdog234 9 years ago
zdog234
oh and I agree with lwerd. Issa, you have to use more than evidence to back up your claims. I am also agnostic, but god can't be proven or disproven. I don't have the time to cite anything specific right now, but in geometry, all of the known facts about polygons are stated as theorems.

They cannot be proved, but they are true until disproven. God can't be disproven because if god is real then we have no real way to comprehend him. It is possible that we are an unfinished model that he has thrown away, never to touch since those first seven fateful days. (Personally, I don't believe in the universe in seven days shiit, but it is possible) Maybe he made us as a test to see how well a world left alone could function. And human violence does not disprove god. Maybe he likes making people docile at the last minute.

And I did not understand at all how the evolutionary theories came into it.
Posted by zdog234 9 years ago
zdog234
Stray monolith, you can't make up you own definition of god.

Usually people use the definition(s) from www.dictionary.com

They are as follows

God

1.the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.
2.the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute: the God of Islam.
3.(lowercase) one of several deities, esp. a male deity, presiding over some portion of worldly affairs.
4.(often lowercase) a supreme being according to some particular conception: the god of mercy.
5.Christian Science. the Supreme Being, understood as Life, Truth, Love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle.
6.(lowercase) an image of a deity; an idol.
7.(lowercase) any deified person or object.
8.(often lowercase) Gods, Theater.
a.the upper balcony in a theater.
b.the spectators in this part of the balcony.
–verb (used with object)
9.(lowercase) to regard or treat as a god; deify; idolize.
–interjection
10.(used to express disappointment, disbelief, weariness, frustration, annoyance, or the like): God, do we have to listen to this nonsense?
Posted by Orrs_Girl 9 years ago
Orrs_Girl
okay i voted for issa because her debate was the best... and had the most info... but i'm not against god! he is my savior and he always will be... god does exsist and he always will... but good job issa for your info!!! we should debate later!
Posted by Issa 9 years ago
Issa
whoever cares i did this debate for a bet i really am Christian and believe in God with all my heart
Posted by Issa 9 years ago
Issa
Gee thanks that makes me feel great about this =(
Posted by Danielle 9 years ago
Danielle
I'm agnostic but I could've taken this debate on as an easy win lol. I've decided to spare Con -- she's new :)
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