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Islam Is A Violent Faith

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The-Rational-Catholic1994
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/22/2013 Category: Religion
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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bkrivas95

Pro

I have heard many times, from both Muslims and non-Muslims, that Islam is a peaceful faith. It is those people, sadly, that I believe do not look deep enough into what they claim to believe. Rather, they only look at one portion or layer of the overall belief. The thing that bothers me is that there is a verse in the Koran that encourages those of the Muslim faith to "kill" the imbosels, meaning those of a different faith or those who have defected from Islam. The other thing that I want to note is that Islam is one of countless religions that does not give its people any guarantee of heaven for faith or good works. In Christianity, there is a guarantee that those who believe that Jesus Christ came to die for their sins and was all God and all man will go to heaven to be with Him when they die. The only promise Muslims have is to die in Jihad (killing for the faith). I think this is a very scary truth that not many people realize. It is what sparks things such as the Boston bombings and 9/11 terrorist attacks. Those people who carried out the attacks were doing their job--their Jihad. Islam is the only faith that requires the declaration of a holy war, or fatwah, against those who ask questions about, leave, or poke fun at the Muslim faith. Just ask Salman Rushdie. I think it is about time that we, not just as Americans but as humans around the world collectively, realize that those around us who believe in ALlah and Islam as the way may not know exactly what they claim to believe. Also, I think it's time that we told it how it is. The Muslim faith is a violent faith. There is no way around it.
The-Rational-Catholic1994

Con

Look, if put under extreme and radical situations, any faith can become violent and deadly. But that doesn't mean that any faith, religion or belief is bad to it's core and that doesn't mean that any faith, religion of belief is founded to be violent or deadly. In the last hundred years, we can see that the Middle East and mainly Muslim inhabited countries have been under or have experiences being under the rule of some kind of non-Muslim power whether it be from the US, The UK, France, or Russia and the imperialist rule has not been kind on the general populations in those regions, example of this can be seen with the US involvement with coups in Iran and Iraq and the Soviet war in Afghanistan leading to a majority of those people to live under poverty and to have little education and almost no economic opportunities because of these invents. We also see in history that many religions or belief that goes through the same violent and bloody stage as Islam is going through now. We now that a thousand years ago, the Catholic Church told people to go to the Middle East to kill Muslims and to take back the Holy Land and then those people who did these violent actions will go to heaven. When we look at the church today (a church that is against all form death from euthanasia, abortion, and the death penalty) we don't see the church supporting its subjects to kill or to harm other and they will get into heaven. We also see that in the French Revolution that atheism became violent and killed thousands because of their faith, that doesn't mean that people who believe in Atheism today will do the same thing. Also historically, Muslim countries have had a good rap sheet when it comes to minority rights, women rights (I get into that later into the debate), religious rights and economic freedoms. My ending statement is that no Islam is not a religion that is founded upon violence but that it's going through a stage in it's history that is dark and violent because of the past decisions of the non-Muslim powers that influenced them in someway.
Debate Round No. 1
bkrivas95

Pro

You think historically speaking that Muslim countries have a good rap sheet when it comes to womens' rights? Have you heard nothing or read nothing about Saudi Arabia (fully Muslim country) and how they disrespect, chase after, and kill women who try and seek out better life conditions? Maybe you missed the story about the teen girl that was fighting for womens' rights regarding education in Muslim countries because women were not allowed to further their education. I really do not see how that is a valid point at all. Also, if you actually read the Koran, even just parts of it, you see that Mohammad is calling the Muslims to action. He is calling them to act on their faith, which requires Jihad. As for the other faiths, you are mostly right about their reasons for resorting to violence. But I suggest that you look more into the Muslim side of things. Your turn.
The-Rational-Catholic1994

Con

I wasn't talking about present day Saudi Arabia and it's women's rights compaired to present day Western countries and their civil rights. I am talking about how historical, Islam has been better on women then other places of the world. For example, the hijab worn by women is supposed to hide her beauty not because she is forced to but because in the Koran it says "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their khimār over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husband, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. (Quran 24:31)". This quote basically says that a Muslim man should see a women as a sex odject or her beauty unless they are married to the women or related to the women. This means that it is agianst the Koran teachings to place women as a odject and should be respected.

Also historical Islam is known to protect the rights of religious mintories, especially when in comes to the rights of Christians and Jews. It even says in the Koran "The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn to Him. (Qur'an 42:13)". This quotes states that Christian and Jews are the children of Allah and that Allah should himself to these people, so they must be respected. This law was the reason why the Christian cultures of the Serbs, Croats, Greeks, Bulgarians, and others survived after hundreds of years under the Ottoman rule, a powerful Muslim empire in Europe and the very same empire that allowed Jews deported from Spain during the Inquisition to settle within their lands.

Also with regardes to education, the Koran says "....Are those equal, those who know and those who do not know? It is those who are endued with understanding that receive admonition. (Quran, 39:9)". This quote means that all should learn word of god, meaning that they should read the Koran meaning that all men and women that are Muslim should learn to read. Another verse from the Koran "...Those truly fear God, among His Servants, who have knowledge: for God is Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving. (Quran, 35:28)" this means to Truely know god, a servants must have knowledge, knowledge is provided through education and thus this verse means that all his servants (male or female) must learn the knowledge of god through education.

Now what is your rebuttal to all of that?
Debate Round No. 2
bkrivas95

Pro

bkrivas95 forfeited this round.
The-Rational-Catholic1994

Con

Sad. I wanted to hear pros rebuttal and then refute against him. Sad, I really thought this was going to be a good debate.
Debate Round No. 3
bkrivas95

Pro

bkrivas95 forfeited this round.
The-Rational-Catholic1994

Con

The-Rational-Catholic1994 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
bkrivas95

Pro

bkrivas95 forfeited this round.
The-Rational-Catholic1994

Con

The-Rational-Catholic1994 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by IslamAhmadiyya 4 years ago
IslamAhmadiyya
No Islam isn't violent, some so called Muslims may be violent, but ISLAM as a RELIGION, that is based off the QUR'AN and the peaceful teachings of Muhammad (saw), is NOT violent. The burden of proof lies upon the Pro.
Posted by Shadowguynick 4 years ago
Shadowguynick
The problem is most religions are violent. Are you saying that islam is merely religion has more violent for a religion, or just violent?
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Nataliella
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