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Youngastronomer

Con

Terran will use his claims and I refute them.
Burden of Proof is shared

Rounds:
1) Acceptance
2) Your opinions
3) Rebuttals
4) Defence

Currently he is hiding in the forums and not wanting a professional debate.
Terran_01

Pro

There are only two arguments I see here.

Argument 1: Currently he is hiding in the forums

Argument 2: not wanting a professional debate

Argument 1 response: I am in many places. I am not necessarily hiding. The fact that I am here responding, is proof that that I am not hiding from my opponent. The fact that I have engaged debate.org forums in the first place (which my opponent admits in his opening statement), is proof that I am not hiding but engaging. How can one hide from a user in a forum by engaging them in that very forum? The two are diametrically opposite and incompatible. I provide proof in two links below of myself engaging my opponent repeatedly in multiple threads on this website, to which my opponent consistently refuses to answer my challenge to all Muslims. This reveals that it is not me but my opponent who is in fact hiding, hiding from my challenge. The two threads are below.

http://www.debate.org...

http://www.debate.org...

I also suggest the possibility and perhaps even probability to almost certainty, that my opponent is attempting to construct his own rules of debate in such a manner that it is rigged in his favour in a way that he can't possibly lose. I also suggest that it is his plan to vote on this rigged debate with sock puppet accounts in order to win through votes, which is ad populum fallacy. It doesn't matter how many people or their sock puppet accounts vote, it doesn't make it any more true or false. The whole world could believe the moon is made of cheese. It doesn't make it true. My opponent has become desperate after being proven wrong and repeatedly caught out in his lies in the two threads above, to the point where he has called to have this very website shut down. I argue that it is likely his intent to up vote himself with sock puppets and other Muslims of this forum in this medium as a way of falsely claiming victory, to which he can refer to himself and his rigged 'debate' in the threads above and in the future to falsely claim victory instead of actually dealing with the arguments and challenge.

Ad populum fallacy: https://www.youtube.com...

Argument 2 response: Where is the evidence that I don't want a professional debate? In the absence of evidence, I claim that no such evidence exists. If no such evidence exists, then I demand my opponent withdraw his claim and concede this so called debate. How can anyone legitimately argue from a position of claiming what someone wants? How can you ever prove what someone wants? My opponent is making claims on what he thinks I think. Such claims cannot be proven, and therefore they are invalid. Therefore, the opening statement of my opponent and topic of this debate is self refuting and my opponent defeats himself with his own claim. If my opponent wants to claim that he can somehow read my thoughts and prove them, then I am open to him providing sufficient evidence of such a supernatural ability. In my very introduction to this website, I came with one of the most comprehensive arguments in the history of this website. It was an abbreviated version of the complete argument. I provide the forum thread and complete argument below. The initial forum thread message contained 30,000 characters and 40 links. The complete argument contains over 100,000 characters and over 100 links, with links to even more links that contain many hundreds of further links. If that doesn't suggest that I want a professional debate, then I don't know what does. Debating in this manner is not necessarily professional. And since it involves the ability to rampantly abuse the system through anonymous sock puppet voting, I suggest that debating in this manner is unprofessional, which is why I prefer to stick to forums where debate is ongoing and more indepth.

Forum thread: http://www.debate.org...

Complete (and growing) argument: https://yivysfqhodfpnhz6k09bew-on.drv.tw...

I provide examples of my attempts at debate with professionals, by showing a playlist of samples of myself engaging professionals on major internet forums and social media with the same claims and challenges, only to be heavily censored and not a single argument stands against me. My claims and challenges have been shared by one of the largest movements in my country through social media, which is why I was banned from social media. If that doesn't suggest me wanting a professional debate, then I don't know what does. I have even offered a monetary reward for anyone who can challenge me with a superior argument. If that doesn't suggest me wanting a professional debate, then I don't know what does.

Sample playlist of my attempts at professional debate and being censored: https://www.youtube.com...

Australia's largest anti-Islam movement sharing a challenge of mine, resulting in a 30 day ban and censorship: https://i.imgur.com...

An example of the censorship: https://i.imgur.com...

An example of me offering a professional debate with a bet to encourage professionals to debate me: https://i.imgur.com...

Another example of me offering professional debate on social media, in search of a professional: https://i.imgur.com...

But most of all, I can simply refute my opponents claim of me not wanting a professional debate by stating right now that I want a professional debate.
Debate Round No. 1
Youngastronomer

Con

To start, my opponent created a "challenge" which I repeatedly accepted but either way it'll be sorted with a professional debate.

My opponent denies that he ignored my professional debate challenge and claims that I repeatedly ignored his challenge. He links proof that I did strangely. I did request a shutdown because the challenge was finished and debunked. But moving on to the point as the previous was an introduction/acceptance and not an argument. Round 2 is the start of opinions/arguments. Here is the official arguments that I have for him to refute in round 3. And more in round 4 along with a conclusion.

Here are the myths he named:
Pedophilia
Rape
Incest
Slavery
Stealing
Lying

Pedophilia:
A very common myth is that Muhammad was a pedophile and committed pedophilia. This has been refuted several times but here we go again.
https://muslimsforallah.com...
1st rule you notice is that you must be fit to marry in order to marry, first thing is age. A child cannot get married.

Most claim that Aisha married Muhammad at 9. But history calculates that her age may have been between 16-21. She could not have been engaged to Muhammad at 6 because she already engaged to another man but he was non-muslim so no marriage to him.

Aisha was Muhammad's 3rd wife and the considered the greatest woman in Islam. She came from a family that was noted for their learning and education. she, herself, was very well educated and was a teacher, cleric, and military leader during her lifetime. She was engaged to another before Muhammad, but the engagement was broken when the fiance refused to convert to Islam.

Was Aisha nine years old when married? No. But don"t the Hadiths say she was? Some do, but they all quote one very old man and are considered weak Hadiths. The Hadiths are the recollections of Muhammad's Companions. Some are strong and well documented and supported. Others are weak because they are not supported, not witnessed by others, contradict others that are supported.
https://www.quora.com...

Moving on, Aisha was referred to as a Bikr: "young unmarried woman" and not a jariya (young girl.)
https://m.facebook.com...

Aftermath:
What happened to Aisha afterwards?
She became a military leader, she fought Ali. She was brave, feisty and politically aware. If she grew in a pedophile's house then why wasn't she scarred and devastated after 9 years with a "pedophile"?

Muhammad would also be disobeying the Quran if he was a pedophile.
And try orphans (as regards their intelligence) until they reach the age of marriage; if then you find sound judgement in them, release their property to them, but consume it not wastefully, and hastily fearing that they should grow up, and whoever amongst guardians is rich, he should take no wages, but if he is poor, let him have for himself what is just and reasonable (according to his work). And when you release their property to them, take witness in their presence; and Allah is All Sufficient in taking account.
4:6 - Surah Nisa
Age of marriage would mean someone mature enough to marry. This implies that pedophilia is banned.

Rape:
It is so stunningly obvious that rape is banned, even the most extreme Muslim countries have rape as an offense.

Many rapists were killed by Muslims.
This is extreme but jail, forgiveness or a fine can be done.
https://islamqa.info...

Incest:
Incest like rape is a major offence, one who marries with their aunt, neice, mother or daughter is condemned heavily for it.
Incest is in the same level of fornication and adultery.
http://www.understanding-islam.com...

Slavery:
Let's go back to the 7th century, around a third of Arabia were slaves. Banning slavery completely and instantly would cause immense unemployment.
So to prevent this, they ascend from slaves to servants.
In the logic of anti-islamists, no country bans slavery because we can buy a butler.

Capture of prisoners during war was the most common way of acquiring slaves. Prisoners would inevitably be captured during any war, and the prevalent custom at that time was that prisoners had no protection or rights; they would either be killed or enslaved. But Islam brought two more options: unconditional release or ransom. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): "Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam)" [Muhammad 47:4]. During the battle of Badr the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) accepted ransoms from the mushrik prisoners of war and let them go, and the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) let many of the prisoners go for free, releasing them with no ransom. During the conquest of Makkah it was said to the people of Makkah: "Go, for you are free."

During the campaign of Banu"l-Mustaliq, the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married a female prisoner from the defeated tribe so as to raise her status, as she was the daughter of one of their leaders, namely the Mother of the Believers Juwayriyah bint al-Haarith (may Allaah be pleased with her). Then the Muslims let all of these prisoners go.

Islam is not thirsty for the blood of prisoners, nor is it eager to enslave them.

Going further, servants can request freedom and get it: "Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them)."

Here we see that a "slave" can request freedom and money to live with it. If the "slave" is prevented, the master becomes an oppressor.
This means slavery is banned depending on how you see it.
http://www.answering-christianity.com...

Stealing:
It's banned, there's no bother to explain.
But we might as well, taking war spoils is allowed. Apart from that? No, banned.

Lying:
Most people say that taqiyya is for putting Islam further. But this is wrong, taqiyya is something that some Shias believe.

Good luck in round 3 and 4.
And let's see your views.
Terran_01

Pro

Quote: My opponent denies that he ignored my professional debate challenge

You have not made a professional debate challenge.

Quote: claims that I repeatedly ignored his challenge. He links proof that I did strangely.

My links prove that you have consistently evaded my challenge.

Quote: I did request a shutdown because the challenge was finished and debunked.

If you debunked me as you claim, then why would you want the evidence of your alleged victory shut down? You admit that you have sought to shut down this website. That in itself is enough to disqualify you from this and all debates and contributions to this website. You self admittedly go against the very rules of debate and the freedom of speech it is based upon. If my challenge was finished, then why have you continued it here?

Quote: Round 2 is the start of opinions/arguments

It is not for you to dictate the rules of debate.

Quote: Here is the official arguments that I have for him

You can make arguments falsely in my name all you like. That doesn't mean they have any value or represent me in any way. It is a straw man fallacy, a common fallacy used intentionally for the purpose of misrepresenting your opponent's position in order to falsely appear to be victorious over an argument that doesn't exist: https://www.youtube.com...

Quote: Here are the myths he named: Pedophilia Rape Incest Slavery Stealing Lying

My Muslim challenge does not accuse any Muslim of pedophilia, rape, incest, slavery, stealing or lying. My claim of you personally endorsing pedophilia, rape, incest, slavery, stealing and lying, is based on your own comments endorsing them. Again, stop strawmanning me.

Quote: A very common myth is that Muhammad was a pedophile and committed pedophilia. This has been refuted several times but here we go again. https://muslimsforallah.com...... 1st rule you notice is that you must be fit to marry in order to marry, first thing is age. A child cannot get married.

It is widely accepted within Islam by consensus that Mohammad was a pedophile. The official Islamic texts clearly and repeatedly state that Mohammad married a 6 year old and raped her since she was 9. A pedophile is one who is either sexually attracted to, engages in sexual relations with, or endorses sexual relations between an adult and a child. A child is by definition of overwhelming consensus, a person who is under the age of around 18, ranging generally from 16-21. It is a reference in the context of physical maturity.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

The age of 9 is agreed upon by overwhelming consensus to be a child. The only countries that don't have an age of consent, are Islamic countries where marriage is legal between an old man and a new born baby, with no laws on sexual relations. And where there are laws, they are rarely if ever enforced. Since Mohammad married a 6 year old and molested her since she was 9, he was a pedophile. I offer some examples out of many more, that clearly state that Mohammad was a pedophile.

http://hadithcollection.com...

https://muflihun.com...

https://muflihun.com...

https://muflihun.com...

This is endorsed by Muslim scholars all around the world. They have gone through extreme mental gymnastics to excuse and justify it.

https://www.youtube.com...

https://www.youtube.com...

https://www.youtube.com...

Even Zakir Naik, Islam's number one leading scholar, admits Mohammad was a pedophile...

https://www.youtube.com...

Pedophilia and child marriage is rampant in the Islamic world. In Iraq, which has the highest age of consent in the Islamic world where most Islamic countries and only Islamic countries have no age of consent, reveals that about half of all little girls are victims of pedophilia and about half of all men are pedophiles. This, in spite of it being illegal. Imagine then what it's like in countries where it isn't illegal?

https://www.girlsnotbrides.org...

If Mohammad was a pedophile, and the definition of a Muslim is one who follows Mohammad's 'perfect' example blindly and unquestionably, and endorseing pedophilia makes you a pedophile whether you have practiced it yet or not, then what does that make all Muslims?

I am not accusing Muslims of anything. I am simply pointing out that Muslims admit themselves that they are all pedophiles.

Quote: Was Aisha nine years old when married? No. But don"t the Hadiths say she was? Some do, but they all quote one very old man and are considered weak Hadiths

I just quoted you several examples from the very official and strongest Hadiths, not the weakest. They clearly say yes, not no. I quote from Wikipedia: Sunni Muslims view this as one of the two most trusted collections of hadith

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Quoting from Quora is not a credible source. Quora is an open internet forum where anyone can provide any question or answer they want, truth or lie, with or without legitimate evidence, and vote on their own answers. Facebook groups are even worse.

Quote: What happened to Aisha afterwards?

She got beaten up by Mohammad, that's what happened.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

There are too many topics and too many lies made up by my opponent to fit a response within the limit of one message. So I will abbreviate and compress my arguments into links.

Quote: Rape: It is so stunningly obvious that rape is banned, even the most extreme Muslim countries have rape as an offense.

Rape was widely practiced and taught by Mohammad. Islamic law to this day makes it impossible for a rape victim to get justice, as they are stoned to death for reporting it.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Meanwhile, there isn't a rape epidemic of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews or Atheists. But there is a well documented Muslim rape epidemic in Europe.

https://www.youtube.com...

https://www.youtube.com...

https://www.youtube.com...

Quote: Incest: Incest like rape is a major offence, one who marries with their aunt, neice, mother or daughter is condemned heavily for it.

Incest is taught in the Koran and Hadith. Mohammad himself engaged in incest.

https://wikiislam.net...

Incest, following the example of Mohammad, is rampant throughout the Islamic world. At least half of all Muslims today are the direct result of incest. 70% in Pakistan. 80% in Southern Egypt.

https://www.google.com...

Quote: Slavery: Let's go back to the 7th century, around a third of Arabia were slaves. Banning slavery completely and instantly would cause immense unemployment.

So you don't denounce slavery, but admit endorsing it and making excuses for it. Muslims didn't slowly eradicate slavery. They rapidly multiplied it, and are responsible for almost all of the world's slavery to this very day. The very word slave is named after the White Slavs, because they were so repeatedly enslaved by Muslims to the extreme. You make so many false claims here to justify slavery, but I don't have the space in a single message to refute it all. I don't need to. You admit yourself that you do not denounce but endorse slavery.

Quote: Stealing: It's banned, there's no bother to explain. But we might as well, taking war spoils is allowed. Apart from that? No, banned.

Stealing is not banned in Islam. Stealing is encouraged, taught and even commanded. Your own statement refutes itself, when you deny stealing then immediately admit it. Calling it war, doesn't justify stealing. Stealing is stealing. And since Muslims are officially at war with the entire world until the end of time, stealing from non-Muslims is justified and encouraged at all times.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Quote: Lying: Most people say that taqiyya is for putting Islam further. But this is wrong, taqiyya is something that some Shias believe.

Taqiyya is a practice of lying taught in texts that both Sunni and Shia Muslims both follow. The very denial of Taqiyya, is Taqiyya.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Lying is not a rare occurrence but a consistent theme taught in Islam. The God of Islam himself is repeatedly described as being a master of lies.

Koran 3:54: And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.

Koran 7:99: Did they secure God's scheme/deceit ? So no(one) trusts God's scheme/deceit except the nation the losers

Koran 8:30: And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and God deceives/schemes and God (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers.

Koran 10:21: And if We made the people taste/experience mercy from after calamity/disastrous distress touched them, then for them (is) cheatery/deceit/schemes in Our verses/evidences . Say: "God (is) quicker/faster (in) cunning/scheming , that Our messengers write what you cheat/ deceive/scheme."

(I would provide more but ran out of space for this post)

You expect viewers to blindly take your word for it based on empty claims by random people on social media websites with no evidence. Would you trust someone who has no actual evidence to back up their claims? Would you trust someone who has no evidence and who follows a book and ideology that repeatedly teaches them to lie and deceive? Trust is earned, and you haven't earned it. And even the most trusted must always be questioned.
Debate Round No. 2
Youngastronomer

Con

Looks like my opponent forgot that round 2 was for opinions and not rebuttals. And then he decides to try and change them, I put the debate up and you accepted this challenge. So you can move

And yes I did send a challenge.
http://www.debate.org...

"Evaded my challenge" - Well, not quite. I constantly broke down your points and you repeated yourself and then claimed victory.

And now you accuse me of strawmanning you but you have just strawmanned me. I didn't request the website to be shutdown, the forum was finished. You sent a challenge which I accepted so there was no point of continuing.

I stated that the 6 myths were part of Muslims. Not once did I mention the word "Muslims" in the same sentence. So again, you are strawmanning. I did not endorse them, like it or not. The voters will see.

"Widely accepted that Muhammad was a pedophile."
Hadiths can be false, especially if they contradict the Quran. The hadiths were mostly written by Hisham who is not the most credible source.
http://www.discoveringislam.org...

"The definition of a child is someone under 18."
Not really, a child is someone who has not grown up. There is no specific age, especially not back then. Some historians say that Aisha was between 17-19. Her age is controversial.

Bearing in mind that Aisha reached puberty and based on the way she was described, she was an adult.

Any hadith can be false, and can be corrupted unlike the Quran which states that you must be at the age of marriage to marry. So Aisha was at the age of marriage.
"And test the orphans [in their abilities] until they reach marriageable age. Then if you perceive in them sound judgement, release their property to them. And do not consume it excessively and quickly, [anticipating] that they will grow up. And whoever, [when acting as guardian], is self-sufficient should refrain [from taking a fee]; and whoever is poor - let him take according to what is acceptable. Then when you release their property to them, bring witnesses upon them. And sufficient is Allah as Accountant." - 4:6

Muhammad would not disobey the Quran.

"Quota is not a credible source."
Quota is credible if the answer is correct.

"She got beaten up by Muhammad." Yeah no, how can she get beaten up if he died? Why was she happy? How did she get the motivation to lead an army? It all does not match up.

"Stealing is not banned but encouraged."
Why? Because in my opponent's opinion, taking war spoils is wrong. Taking war spoils from the enemy isn't wrong. It is wrong to let your enemy get stronger. Claiming Muslims are at war with the world does not make taking war spoils wrong.

Taqiyya:
It is not taught.
https://quran.com...
Verses say planning not deceiving
https://quran.com...

https://quran.com...
What a strange bring up, this verse was saying that Muhammad would be saved by God from enemies.

https://quran.com...
Again, no sign of the word "deceive."
So in his logic, taqiyya is debunked.

Empty claims? Thanks for telling me why I should not trust you. Everyone must be questionned right?

Slavery? Excuses? Muslims rapidly multiplied it? Irrelevant, the debate is about Islam. You seem to think every rich person has a slave known as a butler. You strawman me again, a servant is not a slave. A servant has choices, slaves have no choices.
Taking freedom away is classed as oppression which is wrong. That's the fact.
https://www.islamicity.org...

My opponent has made a good attempt but has created strawmen and hypocritically accuses me of such.

Anyways, to end my argument. All of these 6 points are myths.
Terran_01

Pro

Quote: And yes I did send a challenge. http://www.debate.org......

I don't see a challenge on that link. I don't see any argument, position or anything to respond to. I am not obligated to respond to incoherence.

Quote: "Evaded my challenge" - Well, not quite. I constantly broke down your points and you repeated yourself and then claimed victory.

The links speak for themselves. You were utterly exposed and humiliated. You threw a tantrum, and threatened to have this website shut down. After being utterly defeated not only by me but by others who stepped in to put you in your place, you incoherently claimed 'victory' as someone who comes last place and then tries to loot the trophy. Claiming victory in a battle you utterly lost, doesn't make you victorious. It is a testament to your failure. Notice that I have been victorious over you consistently. Yet I never needed to claim victory. I let my arguments speak for themselves. I don't need to pretend. I don't need to put my claims on a false pedestal of 'victory'.

Quote: And now you accuse me of strawmanning you but you have just strawmanned me. I didn't request the website to be shutdown, the forum was finished.

Not only did you threaten to have this website shut down, you admitted it in this very 'debate', at the top of round 2.

Quote: You sent a challenge which I accepted so there was no point of continuing.

Still waiting for you to answer the challenge and stop evading it: http://www.debate.org...

Quote: I stated that the 6 myths were part of Muslims. Not once did I mention the word "Muslims" in the same sentence.

You just did. I just quoted you doing it.

Quote: So again, you are strawmanning

If so, then provide an argument, a premise and evidence. if you cannot, as you have not, then you are strawmanning me.

Quote: I did not endorse them, like it or not. The voters will see.

I have already established and quoted you admitting to endorsing slavery in this very 'debate'. I have already established and quoted you admitting to the rest in the threads provided.

Quote: "Widely accepted that Muhammad was a pedophile." Hadiths can be false, especially if they contradict the Quran. The hadiths were mostly written by Hisham who is not the most credible source. http://www.discoveringislam.org......

The Koran can also be false, have you ever considered that? The Hadith quotes of Aisha's age, do not contradict the Koran and are widely accepted as I have already established. Again, you deny the authenticity of the Hadith, by claiming it as being not a 'credible source'. I have already established that the Hadith I refer to is not mentioned once but many times, and it is widely considered to be the most authentic Hadith. Denying this fact doesn't change it. A google search reveals the very hadith I quote from as the number one authentic Hadith.

https://www.google.com...

Your very own link admits Mohammad was a pedophile, endorses it and tries to justify it.

Quote: "The definition of a child is someone under 18." Not really, a child is someone who has not grown up. There is no specific age, especially not back then. Some historians say that Aisha was between 17-19. Her age is controversial.

The age of Aisha was 6, and this is accepted by overwhelming consensus. Claiming that Aisha was much older, is the very practice of Taqiyya, an outright lie. This invented age of Aisha is not based on the Koran or authentic Hadith. It is an outright lie to cover up the fact that Mohammad was a pedophile and Muslims follow his example of pedophilia. Her age is controversial because she was only 9. There is no controversy over her age itself.

Quote: Bearing in mind that Aisha reached puberty and based on the way she was described, she was an adult.

A 9 year old is a child. Period. Full stop. The whole world outside of Islam agrees in overwhelming consensus. Just because a child hypothetically begins the process of puberty, doesn't mean they are fully grown. It means they are still growing and still a child. A 9 year old child is not an adult in any way whatsoever. A 9 year old child is FAR from an adult, and there is absolutely no grey area about it whatsoever.

Quote: Any hadith can be false, and can be corrupted unlike the Quran which states that you must be at the age of marriage to marry.

Why is it that the Hadith can be corrupted while the Koran cannot be corrupted? There are far more errors and edits to the Koran than there are to the Bible. And the edits in the Koran are significant and completely change the context of what is said. The Koran as it is known today, was only cannonised in 1924, called the Cairo edition, chosen out of many other versions.

I can prove that the Koran can be corrupted by deliberately misquoting it right now...

Koran 2:16: Mohammad ate poop and sat on a lolly pop. The end.

There is so much evidence available on how heavily corrupted the Koran is, that I will simply offer a youtube search to reveal how extensive it is.

https://www.youtube.com...

Quote: So Aisha was at the age of marriage.

An age that is undefined and can apply to an 18 year old, a 6 year old, or even a new born baby on their first day, which is what happens in Saudi Arabia. Not just Saudi Arabia, but even in the few Islamic countries that have an age of consent.

https://www.alaraby.co.uk...

Quote: "And test the orphans [in their abilities] until they reach marriageable age. Then if you perceive in them sound judgement, release their property to them. And do not consume it excessively and quickly, [anticipating] that they will grow up.

That really isn't a good quote to make in denial of pedophilia. 'Testing' vulnerable orphaned children to see if they are ready for marriage? Would that perhaps involve engaging in sexual activity with children? This whole quote sounds horrific and sickening.

Quote: And whoever, [when acting as guardian], is self-sufficient should refrain [from taking a fee]; and whoever is poor - let him take according to what is acceptable. Then when you release their property to them, bring witnesses upon them. And sufficient is Allah as Accountant." - 4:6

If a 6 year old still needs a guardian, then clearly they are not an adult. This whole description sounds like old Muslim men buying child orphan sex slaves, and buying them cheap. It really doesn't work in your favour. It only endorses pedophilia and slavery at the same time.

Quote: Muhammad would not disobey the Quran.

Really? What about the Satanic verses that Mohammad wrote into the Koran and later removed, declaring them to have been the trickery of Satan?

https://www.youtube.com...

Or what about the fact that the Koran says men can only have 4 wives, while Mohammad had over 10? There are so many times Mohammad disobeyed the Koran, than I refer you to a video revealing just some of the countless examples.

https://www.youtube.com...

Quote: "Quota is not a credible source." Quota is credible if the answer is correct.

Such as Muslim science? Drinking camel piss to cure diseases? Eating both wings of a fly to cure a fly's diseases? Sucking on a contagious person's tongue to cure their disease? The universe being sandwiched between a giant fish and 8 giant goats? Semen coming from between the spine and ribs? The earth being one of several pancakes stacked on top of each other? The moon splitting in two? The sun setting in a muddy pool?

https://www.youtube.com...

Do Muslims have deep philosophical discussions on this advanced Koranic science over a hot cup of camel piss? Or do they 'weeze the juice' from the source as this man does?

https://www.youtube.com...

Quote: "She got beaten up by Muhammad." Yeah no, how can she get beaten up if he died?

Because he beat her up before he died?

Quote: Why was she happy? How did she get the motivation to lead an army? It all does not match up.

Bukhari 72:715: Aisha said, 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!'

Sahih Muslim 4:2127: Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

That doesn't sound very happy to me. I wonder what would have happened to her if she complained? Islam has a long history of abusing and oppressing women, following the example of Mohammad and how he treated his wives.

Forced veils: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Women worth less than a man: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Wife beating: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Divorce a wife by simply saying 'I divorce you' three times. Marry up to 4 wives, but save one wife space for prostitutes which you can marry for up to 3 days: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

A woman's place, beneath men: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

In Islam, men are polygamous, while women are monogamous. Women who cheat or are even innocently raped? DEATH PENALTY: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Quote: Taqiyya:
It is not taught. https://quran.com...... Verses say planning not deceiving https://quran.com......

In English they do, to cover up what it says in Arabic. Example, cunning and plot, which means deceit, illegal, evasion, harm, guile, trickery...

https://translate.google.com...

(So many lies, I have run out of space and cannot respond to the rest in one message)
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Youngastronomer 6 hours ago
Youngastronomer
Sex with goats is bullchit.
Camel urine is irrelevant in modern times.
Punish a woman for lying about rape but not behead.
Yeah because some incidents of cousin marriage = 50%.

Oh now I'm the hypocrite? I pointed out proof that you are one.

No I'm not going to Saudi Arabia unless I need to.
If anything, I might consider a holiday to USA.
But that'll be a while later.

And yes, Islam condemns these things.
Posted by Youngastronomer 6 hours ago
Youngastronomer
Jesus, you're still falling to bits?
https://m.youtube.com...
https://m.youtube.com...

And you do realise that when it comes to Wikipedia, Indians are quick to write what they think is happening. Sure it is reliable most of the time but certain bits are not true.

https://tribune.com.pk...

Dude, Muslims are meant to tolerate others.
Posted by Terran_01 8 hours ago
Terran_01
How come the world is civilised? The world is not civilised! Only the West is civilised. And only those who follow Western values, culture and technology, are civilised to a lesser degree. Muslims are not civilised. Muslims are the most uncivilised and backward people in the world. Drinking camel piss? Sex with goats? Beheading women with a sword in 2018 for being raped? At least half of all Muslims being inbred? I could go on and on and on. The worst part is that you just don't get it and you are so far gone that you think this is civilised!

Nothing you say adds up. Everything you say multiplies evil, divides the races and subtracts from humanity.

You say that Islam condemns these things, yet you admit it endorses it and you personally endorse it. You steal with one hand while holding up a 'don't steal!' sign in the other, pointing your finger at the very people you are in the very act of stealing from! Everything about you is invalid.

Stop being a hypocrite. Stop calling me a hypocrite. Stop spoon feeding rubbish. Swallow the bitter truth and **** off to Saudi Arabia!
Posted by Terran_01 8 hours ago
Terran_01
Sikh's and Muslims get along do they? Not according to Wikipedia.

Quote: They are, however, not recognized as Muslims by mainstream Sunni and Shia Islam, and are treated as blasphemous and persecuted.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Really friendly relations here...

https://www.youtube.com...

https://www.youtube.com...

https://www.youtube.com...

https://www.youtube.com...

https://www.youtube.com...

https://www.theguardian.com...

You have seen Jews with Morocco with your own eyes?

Quote: Moroccan Jews constitute an ancient community. Before the founding of Israel in 1948, there were about 250,000 to 350,000 Jews[1] in the country, which gave Morocco the largest Jewish community in the Muslim world, but fewer than 2,500 or so remain.

A lack of problems you say?

Quote: The status of Moroccan Jews was not substantially improved by the establishment in 1912 of a French protectorate over much of the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Islam isn't just stained, it IS a stain. It is pure evil, and has bred a gene pool of pure evil.

The majority of Muslims are good people you say? Really...

https://www.youtube.com...

Pakistani Hindus can say whatever they are going to say, true or false. But are they free to criticise Muslims in Pakistan? No! The punishment is torture and death! Your claim of what Pakistani Hindus say is not backed up by evidence and even if it was, it doesn't remotely imply anything relative to Muslims.
Posted by Terran_01 8 hours ago
Terran_01
Sweden in indeed the rape capital of the world, exclusively because of Muslims. Your own link leads to a single broken source on a plain text webpage. But that doesn't even matter, since the very beginning of the article refutes its own claim by admitting that Sweden is the rape capital of the world! Is Wikipedia lying too? Is every single non-Muslim part of a gigantic anti-Muslim conspiracy?

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Immigration does not win France the world cup. If Muslims were such good athletes, then why are that rock bottom in the Olympics and all other sports competitions? Are you forgetting the White people in the French soccer team? Of course you are. You are so racist that you deny the very existence of White people.

Stop justifying terrorism. Stop accusing your victims of your very crimes. Stop being calling me a hypocrite and stop being a hypocrite.

Hitler did not kill 6 million Jews. Funny how Muslims condemn Hitler for killing Jews, while they themselves have been killing Jews rabidly for 1,400 years, currently surround and attack Jews from every angle, and even sided with Hitler themselves, so they are responsible for the very crimes they falsely accuse Hitler of. How typically Muslim of you. No logic whatsoever. Just psychological projection and role reversal. Repeat, over and over.

And now you blame me for Muslims killing Christians in Saudi Arabia? How typically Muslim of you!

You expose your hypocrisy in your own words, over and over.
Posted by Youngastronomer 14 hours ago
Youngastronomer
Stop being a hypocrite, I'm not gonna spoon-feed you sweet rubbish. You'll have to keep eating the bitter truth.
Posted by Youngastronomer 14 hours ago
Youngastronomer
Muslims living with Sikhs is actually extremely good.
Same applies to Christians.
https://defence.pk...
https://m.youtube.com...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

I have seen Jews in Morocco with my own eyes.
There is a lack of problems.

I agree Islam is stained but it is far from evil.

Truth is, the real Muslims are the majority which are good people but the bad applesauce happen to influence some of the good people.

Pakistani Hindus tend to say that for every ten good people, there is 1 powerful bad person and the good people have no strength to save you.
What this implies is that Muslims aren't bad.

But surely if 600 million Muslims are willing to fight and kill, how come the world is still quite civilised?

It just does not add up.

Also... Islam condemns these things so argument invalid bud.
Posted by Youngastronomer 14 hours ago
Youngastronomer
So some fake Muslim attacks people.
What's the response?
Go beat up your neighbour because he happens to be a Muslim.
Yeah, self defence indeed.

https://www.thelocal.se...
No, Sweden is not the rape capital.

Immigration may have done some bad but it won France the world cup.
Muslims with African descent won France a world cup.

Stop justifying terrorism you twit, you complete hypocrite.

Your logic is basically justifying Hitler killing Jews.
Your logic is justifying Saudi Arabia chopping down Christians.

This exposes your hypocrisy further.
Posted by Terran_01 15 hours ago
Terran_01
More people shot by toddlers?

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

That many were killed in just one Islamic terrorist attack in the same year.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Muslims like you are the source of 97% of the world's problems.

Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

https://www.youtube.com...
Posted by Terran_01 15 hours ago
Terran_01
You refer to an extremely small number of people defending themselves against Muslim invaders in their own homelands! Muslim invaders who murder and a lot more many thousands of times over. A map of recent terrorist attacks in Europe shows that Europe must be heavily infested with gun wielding babies.

https://i.stack.imgur.com...

Notice that Poland doesn't have a single terrorist attack. The difference is that Poland refuses to allow Muslim immigrants.

Quote (Wikipedia) in reference to the UK: International organisations the government has designated as terrorist and banned, of whom the vast majority are of radical Islamic ideology, are:

https://en.wikipedia.org...

How about Australia? According to Wikipedia, there are only two terrorist threats. Islam and sovereign citizens. Sovereign citizens haven't committed a single murder. Extreme anti-terrorism measures have been put in place due to the desperation of the Australian people against rampant Islamic terrorism. And this terrorism is coming from a population of only 2.6%.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Or how about France, where whole regions of the country are taken over and completely destroyed by Muslims and there is absolutely no rule of law?

https://www.youtube.com...

https://www.youtube.com...

Or Germany where Muslims raped 1,500 women in a single night?

Or Sweden, which has gone from one of the safest places in the world to the rape capital of the world because of Muslim immigrants?

But the rest of the world is beginning to fight back. Even peaceful Buddhists in Myanmar are fighting back and booting the genocidal Muslims out. Islam will soon be completely outlawed, and all Muslims like you will be deported to the Middle East where they will be quarantined. And should any Muslim make a threat against any part of the world again, they will be invaded and completely destroyed.
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