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Started: 7/31/2010 Category: Religion
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The common belief and misconception of Islam oppressing women is totally out of this world. Sure some Muslim by name countries look down on women, but it has nothing to do with the Islamic faith itself. Furthermore all of these hate/evangelical sites (that can be easily found) purposely try to attach Islam to anything and it is sad most go to them for info about the Muslim religion.
I'll start off by telling this- The first convert to Islam was a woman, the first scholar in Islam was a woman, and the first martyr in Islam was a woman. Muslim women have been leaders thoughout history (such as establishing the world's first university, and being calipha's (femminin version of the word "caliph")).

Women in Islam are given rights to work, inheritance, choose who they marry, divorce. Also husbands are told to make sure women are protected and kept happy. Now let's analyze the scriptures:

"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have
given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. ( Quran, 4:19)"

The verse explains how a man has to be obedient to his wife. He has to live with her in kindness and honor.

"Do not retain them to harm them so that you transgress limits. He who does this has wronged himself (Quran, 2:231)"

This is saying men can't marry women if they're going to be harmed or hurt in any way or else they'll be sinful.

"If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do." (Quran, 4:128)

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted." (Quran, 49:13)

"Whoever works righteousness — whether male or female — while he (or she) is a true believer (of Islamic Monotheism) verily, to him We will give a good life (in this world with respect, contentment and lawful provision), and We shall pay them certainly a reward in proportion to the best of what they used to do (i.e. Paradise in the Hereafter)." (Quran 16:97)

"Lo! men who surrender unto Allah, and women who surrender, and men who believe and women who believe, and men who obey and women who obey, and men who speak the truth and women who speak the truth, and men who persevere (in righteousness) and women who persevere, and men who are humble and women who are humble, and men who give alms and women who give alms, and men who fast and women who fast, and men who guard their modesty and women who guard (their modesty), and men who remember Allah much and women who remember - Allah hath prepared for them forgiveness and a vast reward." (Quran 33:35)

The 3 above verses talks about equality between a man and a woman.

"O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they shall lengthen their garments. Thus, they will be recognized (as righteous women) and avoid being insulted. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful". (Quran 33:59)

Notice the "avoid being insulted" part? The Quran tells a woman to cover up and not show off her beauty. This is not oppression, but modesty, what women deserve.

Muhammed, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

"Paradise lies at the feet of the mother. "

Narrated Abu Huraira:
A man came to Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and asked,
"O Allahs Apostle! Who is more entitled to be treated with the best companionship by me?"
The Prophet(PBUH) said, "Your mother." The man said. "Who is next?"
The Prophet(PBUH) said, "Your mother."
The man further said, "Who is next?"
The Prophet(PBUH) said, "Your mother."
The man asked for the fourth time,
"Who is next?" The Prophet(PBUH) said, "Your father."

Obedience to a mother is obedience to God.

"The most perfect believer in the matter of faith is one who has excellent behaviour; and the best among you are those who behave best towards their wives."

"Seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim, male and female"

"Assuredly, women are the twin halves of men."


I'd like to thank my opponent for opening this debate. I see that this is your first debate at, as this is my first as well. This should be an interesting debate.

My opponent's resolution is "Islam honors and respects women". I will define honor and respect.
Respect - to consider worthy of high regard[1]
Honor - a showing of usually merited respect[2]

For our purposes, honor and respect are virtually synonyms. Since my opponent is making a positive affirmation, it is her responsibility to prove that Islam honors and respects women. But in order to do that she must prove that

(a)In Islam humans are considered worthy of high regard and women are considered equal.
(b)In Islam humans (or men) are not of high regard, however women are an exception.

The first two verses my opponent uses state that a man cannot harm her wife, marry her against her will, and show kindness. However, here's another verse from the Quran.

"Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great" [3]
This verse shows that women have to obey their husbands or else they will be removed from their bed and beaten. Basically, obedience or the whip? This sounds a lot like slavery. If your wife does your bidding, you really don't have a good reason to be mean or harm her. Therefore, it is invalid to believe that Islamic men respect or honor their wives.

Also note the opening verse. "Men are in charge of women". Does this phrase sound like women are treated equal? Does this phrase sound like Islam honors women? This sounds more like women are of low regard.
Here are some more examples of women being undervalued by Islam:

"And call two witness from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women"[4]

If Islam respects women so much, why do you need a man as a witness? Why are two women needed to replace one man as a witness?

"And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them."[5]

The above passage clearly demonstrates that the Quran views men as better than women.

"Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females" [6]

Clearly, it is disrespectful for the male to obtain twice the inheritance as females.

"..Who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." [7]

This passage defends ownership of women, sex outside of marriage, and having sex with women against their will.
My opponent states that the reason that women wear garments is to protect their modesty, and this is not a form of oppression. However, why can't we embrace the women's beauty rather than shun it? Should the portrait of the Mona Lisa be covered from its beauty to avoid being insulted. Likewise, if a women chooses to wear less garments, why should Islam enforce this? Shouldn't a women's freedom be respected as well? What about on warm days, where wearing long garments could cause overheating? Shouldn't we respect a women's right for comfort? Furthermore, there is no proof that wearing long garments will avoid one from being insulted. And, assuming the premise to be true, it's still a women's choice of clothes to wear. If I wore a skirt and a tank top (I'm a male), I would surely be insulted. However, I still have the right to do it.

The Islam fate also severely punishes women for lewdness. Lewdness is a desire for sexual intercourse. In many cultures, especially western cultures, women engage in lewd behavior.

"The fornication of the eyes is to look with lust; the fornication of the tongue is to speak lustful things; the fornication of the hands is to touch with lust; the fornication of the feet is to walk towards lust; the fornication of the heart is to desire evil." – Muhammad

Behavior in western and many societies engage in many of these behaviors, and therefore these women would be guilty of lewd behavior. Women are severely punished for this:

"As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them" [8]

The verse that you showed, Quran, 4:19, actually demonstrated that men can actually "inherit women" (marry women against their will) if the women have lewd behavior:

"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. ……………
except where they have been guilty of open lewdness"

It is important to note that this resolution claims that Islam respect women, include non-Muslim women. If women in western civilization and other cultures are not respected, because of their lifestyle, then Islam is still disrespecting women.

To summarize the debate so far:
-Pro claims that husbands respect their wives. However, I have shown passages from the Quran that negate these claims
-Pro claims that women are treated equally as men, Con again show Quran passages that negate these claims
-Pro claims that the wearing of long garments is not oppression, since it is to avoid insults from others. Con claims it is disrespects women's freedom .
-Con claims that the Islam faith shows special disrespect to ‘lustful' women, like those in western civilization

I look forward to Pro's response.

[3] Quran(4:34)
[6]Quran( 4:11)
[7] Quran(23:5-6)
Debate Round No. 1


Hi and thanks for responding.
I will begin with verse 4:34. Here is a response I co-authored (slightly modified):

The thing is, the Western Society we live in is very sensitive to family violence. Due to the fact many wives are battered by their husbands, rights orginizations have become so influenced that they object any physical motions towards women, whether it's in real life or on paper. They've also got support from the media and citizens like us. So hearing the allegations, opinions and thoughts that Muslim men can beat their wives is understandable, from their point of view. Though what Islam says about this and what Westerners intepret are completely different. You cannot compare the 2.

The Quran is not meant to be understood by reading one verse. It is a book which needs to be fully read to know what is happening and what's going on. The same goes for everything in life.

Islam has given Muslim women a voice, to be heard. It has given her freedom's, rights, and obligations. As a matter of fact, Muslim women have MORE freedom than Muslim men. Men have been put in charge in terms of protection, finances, shelter and so on. Women have not and they're still placed on a higher level. Throughout the Quran and the sayings of the Prophet (peace be upon him), we see women have to be treated kindly and equily. So if Islamic Scriptures give women all this, why is this included out of nowhere? Well lets think. First there is no reason for a Muslim woman to rebel (the definition of "rebel" is explained further on), if she already has more freedoms and a higher status in an Islamic Society than men. Second what do women possess that men do not? What do they have that can give severe consequences? Can you guess why women have been told to dress modestly? (which by the way just means wearing confortable clothing that isn't too tight, doesn't reveal any body parts and plainly loving for who you are not how you look. Only God judges)
Verse 4:34 has 3 steps for a man to take. They all are no joke, serious approaches for serious situations. So we can see these are for the RARE issues, directed towards the MINORITY of Muslim women. God is being clear how he wants his worshipping women to behave and be like.

Questions about this verse has been asked by Muslims before. If you go to Islamonline, Reading Islam or basically any scholarly source, they use the term "behaviour" in regards to women. It's because they expect you to already know what that means in this context, which is why they don't go heavily into detail and analyze from the begining to the end. But for this one time we'll do a full analysis to educate non-believers and Muslims.

And it should be noted, that after reading this section on "wife beating", that this verse applies more to UN-islamic societies. Unfortunataly many Muslim Nations are Westernized today (clothing wise, gambling, prostitution etc). It may also apply to Christian/Jewish wives since Islam allows Muslim men to marry CHASTE women of the book. Below, after I've done refuting this alleged claim, I'll explain about this and how it can't be used today and why this verse was put in the Quran. Anyways let's begin analyzing An-Nisa 4:34.

Have a stroll at night during downtown. Go to nightclubs, watch music videos. What's so common about the women in these?
Lets look at it line by line:

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women,because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means...."

As I said before this is a COMMAND by God to protect and maintain women. This means men give women their FULL 12 basic (same as men) rights, they provde housing, food and medical care (in islam a man's wealth is to support his wife and family FIRST while a wife's wealth (however she gets it) is for herself ONLY). A wife should respect her husband for serving her (like a man or a woman who has servants would respect them working for him/her). In a relationship, it's known that men and women behave different. Women need love and men need respect. We see in verses and hadiths women get what they need. Next line:

"Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard....."

So again the line talks about women needing to respect her husband's efforts to serve and please her and keep her happy. Also it says the Muslim women are obedient (not in the case of listening to her husband. Ephesians 5:22, 5:24 don't exist in the Quran) to islam. Here we see the man's need which is, as I said above, respect. And since the husband is the "Man of the house", he need's to know eveything. Everything/everyone that enters or leaves the house has to be known by the husband, for various reasons (like security and again respect). He is the head of the household which means all decisions are by him, BUT the Quran clearly says men HAVE to discuss and take advice FROM THEIR WIVES before making those choices (like in a democratic government, state leaders must have approval from the congress and parliament. This is how Islam works as well. This forbids a husband to be a dictator. Again this goes back towards the "men needing respect" thing).
Islam expects women to be righteous (like above in the verse), which means being mature and follow rules. Go look in a school classroom. Girl's are the ones who listen and don't misbehave. They abide by all rules. So why should they misbehave when they're older? When they're more vulnerable to rapes, assaults, harassments and so on? Women don't like any unwanted attention, especially by creepy men. It annoys and pisses them off. Am I right or wrong? It's common sense for her not to put herself in these types of situations.
Next line:

"As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct...."

Again as islam respects and honours women, it has no respect to women who dont respect themselves. Lets see the last part of 24:31-"They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies."
The verse literally speaks for itself. Muslim women should not/cannot be sluts and whores (basically the haraam women). They should not/cannnot expose themselves everywhere-tv's, computers, boards, public places etc. They shouldn't make themselves objects so they can sell products, like how many businesses do. These can have negative influences on young boys and especially girls (i.e they need the "perfect body", they need to show their beauty and not hide it, they need to lose weight to look good etc). Men do not like their women being like this (you don't even have to use religion to see this, it's a man's nature). This is one of the few soft spots in males (yes guys have feelings too). So is this fair to a man, when he's told to serve women?

In islam, as it is the husband's duty to provide and protect for the family, it is a wife's duty to raise children (since children learn from, and are more attracted to their mother's and vice versa). The first role for women is motherhood. Obligations should always come before what we want.
Women in islam cannot go astray, as they hold important positions according to islamic values. The "naughty" and "bad" girls do not exist in islam. For example I was recently in Las Vegas. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Girl's pole dancing in public, nude women portrayed on hotel buildings, the skimpy outfits. I was really concerned about my little sister who was being exposed to all of this. Every few minutes I had to distract her, every few moments I had to get infront of her to block off her view.


Note that pro does admit that wife beating does occur in Islam. I find it quite strange how a man can beat his wife for being "disobedient", yet a woman cannot beat her husband for failing to "provide and protect". This seems like a huge disparity in the balance of power.
In Pakistan, wife-beating isn't even considered illegal. Islam women have been committing suicide in Iran due to domestic violence (
"According to the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences in 2002, over 90% of married women surveyed in that country reported being kicked, slapped, beaten or sexually abused when husbands were dissatisfied by their cooking or cleaning, when the women had ‘failed' to bear a child or had given birth to a girl instead of a boy, or had an illicit affair" (
Also, note that in the comment section, a person who has been to Afghanistan has noted the abuses that women face there. There are also many examples of wife beating in Muslim literature.
Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When 'AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, 'Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa'a." Allah's Apostle said, to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa'a unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Bukhari (72:715)
So here is a story about a woman who gets severely abused. Her skin is very green. Furthermore, the Prophet not only said nothing against these acts, but states he cannot remarry Rifa unless she has sex with her abusive husband.

Here's another:
"She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? (Book 4, Number 2127: Hadis from Sahih Muslim)

Again this story demonstrates that the Prophet himself beat her wife, for the simple act of leaving the house.

Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."'

These acts of domestic abuse are not even reasonable domestic abuse. Saying that //a woman has no need to rebel//. They have every right to rebel against a tyrant. Just because I would rather live in a dictatorship than in anarchy that does not mean I shouldn't want to live in a free nation. So what if he provides for the family? Don't the women also help by taking care of the children? That deserves just as much respect as being a provider.
My opponent claims that:
// He is the head of the household which means all decisions are by him, BUT the Quran clearly says men HAVE to discuss and take advice FROM THEIR WIVES before making those choices //
If someone has 51% of a voice and another person has 49% of a voice, and it's based on majority rule, guees who gets their way all the time? the person with 51% of a voice. A man ‘discusses' and ‘takes advice' role is essentially as an advisor. A dictator is still a dictator if he or she has an advisor. One cannot be forced to take advice, because it's essentially that, advice, a recommendation. It's not an order. Furthermore, a man cannot discuss issues with his wife if the decisions must be made quickly. (this is essential why the president is one person, and congress is many bodies. The president must make decisions quickly. Congress can act slowly and think about decisions)
The American democracy has a system of checks and balances to make sure that neither Congress nor the President become more powerful. Congress is in charge of making laws. The president is in charge of enforcing the laws. Now only does a separation of powers exist, but a system of checks exist as well. In the Federalist Papers, it was stated that the president "has the power of the sword" (commander of the military) and congress "has the power of the purse" (has financial power). Well in the Muslim family, the man has both the power of the sword and the power of the purse. (he is in charge of financial obligations, making decisions, and the power to beat his wife).
Note how the power of separation, and checks and balances might be a little unfair in the muslim household:
Women: take care of the children.
Men: Provider, In charge of finances, Makes all the decisions.
Checks and balances
Women: ???
Men: Wife must obey her or she can be beaten
//And since the husband is the "Man of the house", he need's to know eveything. Everything/everyone that enters or leaves the house//
This sounds a lot like micromanagement and being a control freak. I thought women have a voice though and gave advice to the man? If anything, if the women is an advisor, she should need to know more, just like an economic advisor needs to know more about economics then the president.

I would like to note that the clothing (or lack of clothing) ones wears is not necessary about objectification or promiscuity. It can be about comfort, culture, and affordability. For example, in many indigenous civilizations, it is common practice for women to have their breasts bare in public. Some indigenous civilizations have their butt and even genitals exposed. In European, and many beaches around the world, topless sunbathing is a common occurrence.
My opponent obviously has a problem with this behavior. At first my opponent made the claim that "modesty" is designed to "protect" the women. However
//Again as islam respects and honours women, it has no respect to women who dont respect themselves.//
Yet, how are these women not respecting themselves? Respecting yourself is about believing in yourself, having confidence, and having esteem for yourself.
This is a direct quote from pro that Islam doesn't respect these women. However, the majority of women around the world are like this. This resolution states that Islam respect women, and that means the majority of women.
Debate Round No. 2


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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by WomenForTruth101 7 years ago
Okay then we can debate another time
Posted by darkkermit 7 years ago
I'll be gone next week(heading to yellowstone park) so I won't be able to debate. We can resume the debate next week.
Posted by WomenForTruth101 7 years ago

Here it is:
Posted by InsertNameHere 7 years ago
Easy, there should be an option under the debate tab to create new debates.

P.S- Happy Ramadan btw. :)
Posted by WomenForTruth101 7 years ago
Never mind sorry I found it. I'll link to the debate.
Posted by WomenForTruth101 7 years ago
Do you have any idea how to start up a new debate? All these features are confusing.
Posted by WomenForTruth101 7 years ago
Okay thanks. Fasting has started so it takes time to prepare and stuff. That's why I haven't been on in awhile.
My argument on verse 4:34 was co-authoured yes, I said I screwed up because I didn't read the rules and stuff properly. There was no point in posting another argument if half of a response took up a whole round.
Posted by darkkermit 7 years ago
Actually, now that I think about it, yea we can have a rematch debate, however if you decide to forfeit your round, I would encourage others to vote for Con and would consider this to be a legitimate debate. Here's why:

It's a nuisance to have to put my effort into a good response for a debate, only to be told to have a new debate.Yea, we might be debating the same stuff, but my responses are going to be different, because your arguments are going to be different. I find it strange how you never said anything about how you "screwed your arguments"(which were Co-authored by the way while my response was done myself) until AFTER my response. I could have saved a lot of time by not making a response at all.
Posted by darkkermit 7 years ago
I'd be happy to start a new debate with you. However, I'm not sure what that will do to this debate. I don't think you can cancel a debate. I suppose we can both forfeit our last rounds, however people are still going to vote either way, so this debate will still count on our records.
If a new debate were to occur, it would be more like a rematch, not a new debate. You still have one more round.
Oh, I made a mistake and my exam is Wednesday so if this debate were to continue, can you please post on Monday?
Posted by WomenForTruth101 7 years ago
*copy not opy.
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