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Islam is a False Religion

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Started: 9/8/2013 Category: Religion
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MH1980

Pro

Q 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best,
except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that
which has been revealed to us and revealed to you.
And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

Q 29:47
And thus We have sent down to you the Qur'an. And those to whom We [previously]
gave the Scripture believe in it. And among these
[people of Makkah] are those who believe in it. And
none reject Our verses except the disbelievers.

[2:136] Say, "We believe in GOD, and in
what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham,
Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus,
and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him
alone we are submitters."

But NOW THEY DONT

Qur'an [2:79]
So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah,"
in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn. << bad contradiction
to surah 6:34.

"Can ye (O ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted
it knowingly after they understood it." (Surah 2:75)

61:6
And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger
of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after
me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

HOW DOES THAT MATCH WITH THIS

Surah 6:34
34. Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they
bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is
NONE THAT CAN ALTER THE WORDS [and decrees] of Allah. Already hast thou received
some account of those messengers.

And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that
which was (revealed)
before him in the Torah, and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein IS guidance
and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah -
a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil). Let the People of the Gospel
judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which
Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers. S. 5:46-47 Pickthall

Surah 3:1-3
1. Alif, Lam, Mim.
2. Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal.
3. It is He Who sent down to thee [step by step], in truth, the Book, confirming
what went before it; and He sent down the Law [of Moses] and the Gospel [of
Jesus] before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion [of
judgment between right and wrong].

But how do they come to you for decision while they have the Taurat (Torah),
in which IS the (plain) Decision of Allah; yet even after that,
they turn away. For they are not (really) believers. S. 5:43

O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you
and be faithful to (your) covenant with Me, I will fulfill (My) covenant with you;
and of Me, Me alone, should you be afraid. And believe in what I have revealed,
VERIFYING THAT WHICH IS WITH YOU, and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price in exchange
for My communications; and Me, Me alone should you fear. S. 2:40-41

Do they not ponder on the Qur'an? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy. Surah 4:82

iTS NOT A DIVINE BOOK.

So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask
those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you
from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.. S. 10:94 Y. Ali <<<<< Allah CONFIRMED THE TORAH.
REMEMBER: 6:34 no one can alter the words of Allah.

Muhsin Khan 10:94
So if you (O Muhammad SAW) are
in doubt concerning that which We
have revealed unto you,
[i.e. that your name is written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)]
then ask those who are reading the Book [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)]
before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it).

Muhsin Khan
Among those who are Jews, there are some who displace words
from (their) right places and say: "We hear your word
(O Muhammad SAW ) and disobey," and "Hear and let you
(O Muhammad SAW) hear nothing." And Ra'ina with a twist of
their tongues and as a mockery of the religion (Islam). And
if only they had said: "We hear and obey", and "Do make us understand,"
it would have been better for them, and more proper, but Allah has cursed
them for their disbelief, so they believe not except a few. << How can this be if muhammad and quran occured 600 years
after the LXX Septuagint Old Testament was completed and compiled.

7:162
Yusuf Ali
But the transgressors among them changed the word from that which
had been given them so we sent on them a plague from heaven. For
that they repeatedly transgressed.

But in all this:

Surah 6:34
34. Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they
bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is
none that can alter the words [and decrees] of Allah. Already hast thou received
some account of those messengers.

And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that
which was (revealed)
before him in the Torah, and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein IS guidance
and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah -
a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil). Let the People of the Gospel
judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which
Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers. S. 5:46-47 Pickthall
AkulMunjal

Con

Before we begin we must define what a false religion is.
These are the accepted interpretations of False by Merriam Websters Dictionary
: not genuine
2
a : intentionally untrue
b : adjusted or made so as to deceive
c : intended or tending to mislead
3
: not true
4
a : not faithful or loyal : treacherous
b : lacking naturalness or sincerity
5
a : not essential or permanent ""used of parts of a structure that are temporary or supplemental
b : fitting over a main part to strengthen it, to protect it, or to disguise its appearance
6
: inaccurate in pitch
7
a : based on mistaken ideas
b : inconsistent with the facts
8
: threateningly sudden or deceptive

**For this debate my opponent has used the 7th definition, based on a mistaken idea, but he has done anything to justify this interpretation therefore, you must not be able to vote for him. I decide that we should use definition 5 A, something that is false is not essential nor permanent.

Now we must define religion,
re"li"gion noun \ri-G2;li-jən1
a : the state of a religious
b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2
: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

**In this debate we will use the 2nd definition of religion, and Islam is clearly a religion, because it has a systematic approach, and it has set beliefs and practices.

**Now we can define "False Religion": According to these definitions a "false religion" is a belief system that is not permanent and not essential.

Defense:
Q 29:46
This passage proves that Islam is a religion, and nothing more, it illustrates the set beliefs system that it has.

Group
Q 29:47, and [2:136]
my opponent says that Islamic people do not believe in God, but that is totally irrelevant to this debate, and it is simply an Ad Homynom Fallacy he is simply trying to attack the beliefs of the muslim people and he has has not provided evidence that illustrates that Islam is in fact not essential to the people who follow it.

Group the rest of the passages together.
They do not serve any purpose in the debate so do not waste your time reading them, my opponent does not make any claims that illustrate that Islam is not essential, and his claims are simply value judgements on Islam, therefore you must discard all of his arguements, because they did not exist from the start. Many religions contain conflicting views, however at the heart of Islam there is a set belief principle that allows people to practice Islam.

Now Offense:
1. Islam is essential to the people that follow it
Despite my opponents views of Shari'a law, it is still essential to the people who live in nations that follow it, it serves as their justice system,and without it people would not have hope, and faith.
2. Islam serves a purpose in the daily lies of Muslims, it allows them to have hope, and it allows people to get through difficult times.
3. Islam serves as a purpose to life, because people feel like they will be rewarded for doing good in the after-life they will serve to the betterment of man-kind instead of it's destruction.

Thank you for taking the time to read my "speech", vote Con.
Debate Round No. 1
MH1980

Pro

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AkulMunjal

Con

Extend all of my arguments.
Debate Round No. 2
MH1980

Pro

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AkulMunjal

Con

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