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Started: 10/30/2014 Category: Religion
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Islam is the only religion that can provide a reliable guide to man's life. Firstly, it's laws touch upon all aspects of human life, secondly its traditions have been authentically preserved in a such a manner that it can be with a high degree certainty attributed to its purported author. I say this, because other religious texts, while claiming to have guidance, there is no way they can be traced back to their alleged authors. Thirdly, the laws of Islam have not been categorically proven by any yardstick of science to be harmful to individuals or societies. Now, I invite anyone to respond to these arguments presented in favor of Islam, and also present any other evidence that you may have to disprove these claims.

Thank you.


Islam is indeed the answer to the modern world!

But not for the reasons my opponent says it is!

Rather, I propose the following theory: the devil (aka Satan) passes gas. This a fact which all the religions of the world overlook, save for Islam. And, as such, they give us no hope of harnessing such gas as a new fuel source, allowing us to divert fossil fuels to their most advantageous usage: the construction of garish space planes.

As proof of my scientific theory (the Farting Satan Theory, or FSssssT), I cite the amazing and authoritative collection of the sayings of the Prophet (PBBBBUUHH), Sahih al-Bukhari:

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "When the call for the prayer is pronounced, Satan takes to his heels, passing wind with noise, When the call for the prayer is finished, he comes back."
Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 3285
In-book reference: Book 59, Hadith 94
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Vol. 4, Book 54, Hadith 505

If the "wind" which passes from Satan when he hears the call to prayer could be harnessed and canistered, it could totally free us from not only an overburdened reliance on fossil fuels, but also natural gases, eliminating the need for "fracking" and taking away some of Vladimir Putin's political bargaining chimps.

This is a theory totally overlooked by Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism, Taoism, Confucianism and a host of other smaller religions!

They also do not accept that Allah hateth the farty --- a clear sign of their backwardness, idiocy and depravity if you ask me! I cite another remarkable Hadith of the Prophet (pppbbbbbbbuhhhhhhh):

The Prophet (bpppphhh)said, "Allah does not accept prayer of anyone of you if he does Hadath (passes wind) till he performs the ablution (anew).
Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 6954
In-book reference: Book 90, Hadith 2
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Vol. 9, Book 86, Hadith 86

Allah loveth not him that farteth! Why is that so hard to understand? And Satan clearly farts during the call to prayer in attempt to confuse Allah into nullfying the fart-befowled prayer of the pious but gassy Muslim. Ergo, if we could catch a Satan and play him a continual call to prayer on mp3, it is feasable that the ensuing "hadath" could be used as a viable source of fuel, so long as we could capture them once they pass.

Recall that Satan is a very large being and, in fact, the Sun rises between his horns:

Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (bbbbptttth) as saying: Do not intend to observe prayer at the time of the rising of the sun nor at its setting, for it rises between the horns of Satan.
Reference: Sahih Muslim 828 b
In-book reference: Book 6, Hadith 353
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Book 4, Hadith 1807

True, it will take a lot of time and effort to capture Satan's windpassing, but if he is so large that the Sun rises between his antlers, he clearly has enough flatulentic energy to fuel the entire world for millenia.

The Pro, however, presents stupid reasons like:

1. "it's laws touch upon all aspects of human life"
2. "its traditions have been authentically preserved in a such a manner that it can be with a high degree certainty attributed to its purported author"
3. "the laws of Islam have not been categorically proven by any yardstick of science to be harmful to individuals or societies."

I think I speak for all of us when I say: woopty dingle-doo! Who cares? Reading over your "reasons" makes me yawn --- which I shouldn't do, for Satan laughs at yawners:

The Prophet (ppppbbbbtttthhh) said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during the act of yawning) should say: 'Ha', Satan will laugh at him."
Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 3289
In-book reference : Book 59, Hadith 98
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Vol. 4, Book 54, Hadith 509

Come on, Jack! You got to think outside of the box, brother! Quit letting society dictate your dreams! Shoot for the stars! We've got a world to win, and nothing to lose but our chains! Solidarity for ever! The internationale will be the human race!
Debate Round No. 1


I could only take
it as the economy of your resources that you had to invest so many of your
words on the hadith of the farting devil, while there were so many other more
relevant things you could have picked on for your rebuttal. That was a big
disappointment. But I got your overall drift. You are basically trying to say
that a religion that has such balderdash cannot provide any solution for

Before I answer the
criticisms you have raised in your post, let me present more clearly as to what
I mean by Islam being a reliable guide to mankind. What I obviously mean is not
that Islam provides scientific answers as you seemed to have understood,
because much of your tirade dwelled on “converting fart to fuel” and such

Islam’s ethical/moral guidance

Here is what I
mean: Islam provides ethical and moral guidance in every walk of human life, be
it economics, politics, family, inheritance, dietary, penal code, civil code
and what have you. Take for example Islamic economics: It provides a very clear
concept of what economics should be based on. Look at some of the foundational principles
of it: interest-free system, a currency standard based on real asset (and not
fiat currency), prohibiting any transaction based on pure speculation and so
on. Little wonder that economists are now taking a hard look at the Islamic
economic model following the many crises that rocked the world recently. The Western
economic system has provided the world nothing but boom and bust cycles.

The power of Islam to make you act on its

But then you might
ask that there are other religions too that has good moral teachings in them
such as “don’t steal, don’t kill” etc. While I agree on that point, there are
two problems in them. I am yet to see a religion other than Islam where
morality is absolute and not relativistic. A relativistic morality, which
changes with time and place, is as good as no morality. Secondly, the strong,
clear and simple teachings of Islam regarding the hereafter and the day the
judgement when every soul will have to account for its deeds to the Lord and accordingly
rewarded or punished, is a very strong motivation for believers to act on these
virtues. This too I feel is missing in other faiths.

What Con has to present

Therefore, in your
rebuttal I would like to see what you have to say about the laws of Islam that
covers everything from the individual to the state.

I would also like
to know if there is any other system of ethics which you think is superior to
the Islamic model. Also give your reasons.

Answers to criticisms

Now, coming to the
issues you raised. Firstly, your problem was with the farting devil. Is your
problem with the concept of satan, or with the concept of a farting satan? As a
defence, you also named other religions saying none of them shared this view
about satan. From this I infer that you are okay with the idea of the devil.
It’s only the concept of a farting devil that seems too much for you to
stomach. But if you have accepted the concept of a devil (which is a leap of
faith in itself, and not based on any scientific investigation), and then to
criticise another faith which takes a slightly different view of the same
subject ... this is nothing but blind prejudice.

In Islam, devil is
not a fallen angel. He is a creation like man, in that he has been given the
power of volition, to choose between right and wrong. This creature (devil)
mates and has children. They eat and excrete. However, they do all this in
their own distinct ways, different from ours. How exactly, we can never know,
because they belong to a different dimension outside our investigative capacity.
The prophet (PBUH) was only making a reference to this simple fact about

Allah Hateth the Farty

Your next problem
is that Allah hates those who fart. This is WRONG also. Nowhere, not even in
the hadith you quoted, is it said that Allah hates the farter. All that it says
is that passing wind annuls the prayer. In Islam we have the 5-time ritual
prayer for which you need to fulfil certain conditions: you have to be clean,
you have to wash yourself before the prayer, make sure that filth such as urine,
spit etc. are NOT there on any part of your body, and moreover, as prayer is
done in a congregation, Islam emphasizes that we should not cause offence to
people next to us by, say for example, coming to the prayer with our mouths
smelling of garlic and things like that. If one adheres to these conditions, it
will help us and others conduct prayers with utmost concentration. Prohibition
on farting is one among these conditions. Therefore, we have to make sure our
bowels are well emptied before we go for prayer, so that we don’t cause
inconvenience to others.

What if you pass
wind in prayer? Will we be punished by Allah? NO. This is not a sin. We don’t
have to repent for it. We will just have to repeat our ablution and pray again.
That’s all.

Sun rises between the horns of the devil

Your next problem
is with the hadith about sun rising and setting between the horns of the satan.
One thing that is very clear from Islamic teachings is that the devil is of a
size comparable to that of ours. This is obvious from many other hadith.
Therefore, this hadith about the devil’s horn being so huge as to extend
between the East and West cannot be taken literally.

The prophet
prohibited praying at the exact sunrise or sunset timings – because this was
the custom of the sun worshippers. He forbade us from doing anything that could
lead us towards polytheism. By saying that sun rises and sun sets between the
horns of the devil, the prophet was speaking allegorically referring to the
false beliefs of sun worshippers, which is from satanic inspiration.


Your last point was about Satan laughing at a
person yawning and saying “Ha”. Well, as I had explained above, Satan has his
own peculiar nature, which lies outside our investigative scope. So, it doesn’t
make sense to probe into that. However, in this hadith you quoted, the prophet
(PBUH) was teaching his companions some basic etiquette. I am sure you wouldn’t
approve of someone yawning into your face with mouth wide open and making funny
sounds. The prophet taught that one has to cover ones mouth and try and be
discreet while yawning. This is basic decency.

We believe that God
sent the prophet (PBUH) to teach us everything – from the smallest of the small
decency to matters pertaining to international affairs. That’s what I meant
when I said that Islam is a complete system of life, leaving out nothing that
is of importance to human life.

What I expect to hear from you

Now, that I have
made my presentation clear, I would appreciate it if you would stick to the
topic of Islamic laws, instead of trying to be funny with irrelevancies.

I am looking to see
you prove that Islamic laws are bad or useless in the current world.

Also, I want to
know what is the alternative ethical/moral system you support if not Islam, and
why you think it’s superior to Islam?



I am sorry that my theory was not more well received. I admit that capturing Satan to harness his flatulence for fuel is no easy task. Currently, I am researching Arabic and Persian grimoires for methods whereby I can bind Satan to my control, but so far I have only found methods corresponding to various jinns and spirits of the planets and stars. Inshallah, I will be able to find more in time. Once I am able to summon Satan and bind him into a lamp, I will then feed him Taco Bell until he is about to burst! Then I will play a continuous loop of the call to prayer. The devil will be unable to move away, but will be unable, also, to control his malevolent gassy-pants! ERGO, I will have a siphone attached to the open part of the lamp into large canister drum. I will hire somone to seal the drum once full, then we will repeat the process until I have millions upon millions of drums of devil gas! Then these can be sent to Islamic scientists for research purposes, getting us off of evil American and Russian Kufr fossil fuel! Allah hu-akbrar!

Valiya writes, "a religion that has such balderdash cannot provide any solution for mankind"!
How untrue! A modern, scientific worldview which rejects the existence of a gassy Satan is no science at all, and it is certainly not modern! I would hesitate to call such assertions "balderdash", for they are clearly the holy truths of the Hadith. In my own dawah, I always begin by telling people the Islam teaches a farting Satan, whereas Christianity and Judaism do not, demonstrating the clear superiority of Islam over these wicked faiths. Someday, when science discovers evidence of the devil's flatulence, I will laugh at them in derision for disbelieving in the Hadith! When Steven Hawkwing rolls out in his wheelchair and says in robot voice, "I was wrong. The Satans fart. All the time they do it. Inshallah! Allah hu Akbar!"

I ask you O Nasrani and you, O Yehudi: why does not the Injil, the Taurat and the Zabur not have farting devil? Maybe because your scribes have falsified Allah's words! Truly, a fateful doom awaits you upon the last day, for Allah hath made clear the devil has a serious case of the tubbly-wubblies in the tummy! Truly, Moses taught a farting devil, as did Jesus, and Lut, and Joseph! But you have edited these out of your records, to hide the truth from humanity!

You are right, though, Valiya: Islamic economics is certainly superior to the Kufr West and Kufr East --- especially when we consider the massive diversity of wealth that exists in Daar-al-Islam vs. Daar-al-Harb. Whereas the Kufr relies predominantly upon fuel and energy for their wealth, Muslims innovates in all fields, and it has been this way for centuries. Where has most of modern technology come from? Islam! Modern medicine? Islam! The space program? Islam! Who ended slavery first? Islam! Who gave women full equal rights with men first? Islam! Who had first gay cowboy? Islam! Islam is the clearly superior deen in every way. Without Islam, the modern world would be in peril!

Why do you think it is that the good Muslim, Buzz Lightyear, was first in space, and not the wicked Kufr, Tom Hanks? While Tom Hanks was stranded on island talking to a bloodied football named Wilson, Buzz Lightyear was performing wudu and salat in the sea of tranquility!

Take that, you wicked gringos!

Justin Timberlake is Muslim!
Debate Round No. 2


This is straw-man argument by Maybenihilism. It looks like he
had his latest post typed out even before I had sent my rebuttal. It is so
irrelevant to my post. His fascination for ‘Farting Devil’ continues, and he
seems more occupied with exhibiting his writing skills than present any logical

I had in my answer clearly explained what Islam’s position
on the ‘Farting devil’, “Allah hateth the Farty”, “Devil laughing at the yawner”
etc are. Though Maybenihilism is the one who raised these points in the first
place, he had nothing to say about my responses.

I had also explained that my point was not about science but
moral/ethical teachings; however, Maybenihilism (indulging in straw-man
argument) continued under the assumption that it was all about science, and hence
his tired jokes about ‘converting fart into fuel’ (which honestly by now is
beginning to grate on the ears). He can be irrelevant if he chooses to, but let
him at least think of new jokes so that the reader is not bored.

However, thanks to Maybenihilism for devoting at least the
last paragraph to answer at least one of my points. As he doesn’t care to
explain his argument in clear terms, sticking tardily to the sarcastic tone, I
have to interpret what he means (for the benefit of the reader) before I answer

criticisms are the following:

  1. Islamic economics is retrograde because we see
    the Muslim countries simply depending on their oil resources and are not
    manufacturing any products of value.
  2. Islam has not given the world any modern
    scientific inventions, but it’s the west that has. Therefore the west is superior
    to Islam.
  3. Islam does not give equal status to women, or
    approve of gay rights. Therefore Islam is inferior to the western civilization
    which has given all of this.

My responses

Before I analyze each of his points, let me give a general
answer to all his assertions. In a debate on ideology, it is childish to point
out bad examples of the followers of that ideology to discredit the ideology. For
example, it’s like arguing that the theory of evolution is a hoax because of Charles
Dawson’s Pilt Down man hoax. Or like saying Atheism is a failure because of the
failure of communist states. To analyze an ideology, we have to analyze its
sources, or what the founders of that ideology stated. That’s a basic logic.

Now coming to each of
Maybenihilism’s points:

  1. Oil economy of Islamic states.

Any cursory analysis of the history of economics would
clearly show that wealth is a circular phenomenon. Nobody gets to control it
permanently. Different civilizations in different parts of the world at different
times have been in control of wealth for different reasons. This is also the
understanding of wealth from an Islamic perspective. This is why Islam lays
such great stress on charity. In fact,
it’s the only religion that collects charity like tax. You must be knowing
about Zakat (tax collected to help the poor). In the modern world, it’s the
west that is in control of wealth. The Muslims countries like so many other
nations are backward economically. A few Muslim countries (in the Arabian Gulf)
have found a temporary reprieve from poverty through oil wealth. If oil runs
out, these countries will be poor again. Muslims simply see it as part of a natural
process of wealth rotation.

Moreover, the west’s
mode of wealth accumulation has been extremely unethical – look at all the wars
it started in the world to control natural resources, look at the way it
exploits in the most inhuman ways the labor of third world countries for
profits, look at the Brettonwood’s Agreement and its subsequent cancellation by
Richard Nixon to ensure the domination of dollars, the list goes on. So, if you
thought the west’s wealth comes from ethical manufacturing practices, you are
wrong. Since the times of colonialism, West has been living off the blood of
others. Here is where the question of ethics comes into significance. What the
world really needs today is a strong value system, which according to my
argument, can be provided only by Islam.

There was a time when Europe was in darkness, and the Islamic
empire was at the height of glory. If you are true to history, you wouldn’t be
able to deny the fact that the concept of manufacturing started in the Muslim
empire. Islamic Spain was into production at an industrial scale. The product
was soap.

So, the fact of the matter is that civilizations rise and fall, power and wealth constantly change
hands... but whether poor or rich, weak or strong, Islam says there is a value
system you have to abide by. Only this can lead to a just and fair world.

  1. Islam and science

This once again is closely tied to my answer for the first
question. When there is economic progress and political stability, there’s
intellectual development. This is a simple truth. Because of the economic prosperity
of the west (obtained through means stated above), the west is currently enjoying
these luxuries. However, any student of history of science knows the massive
contributions made by Islam to science and technology. You name any field of
science, and you will find a Muslim scientist (from the medieval times) making
the most seminal contribution as a fountainhead of that discipline. Al Khawarizmi, Al Farmi, Al Qushji (Maths and
astronomy), Ibn Sirin, Al Kindi, Al Zahrawi (biology), Khalid bin yazid, Jaffer
Sadiq (chemistry)... these are just a tip of the iceberg.

Similarly, there are other civilizations in the world which
have made great contributions to science like the Chinese, Mesopotamian, Greek
etc. Therefore, science is also not the monopoly of any one civilization...
today it’s the west, tomorrow it could be someone else.

  1. Women’s rights and Gay rights

This is the only point which I feel directly tackles the
topic in question. However, Maybenihilism has only touched upon it without getting
into the details. Therefore I don’t know what exactly his concerns are
regarding these issues in Islam. With regard to women’s rights, people mostly
pick on the veil. If that’s what he is talking about, then he should understand
that the veil for a woman is any dress that covers her full body with the
exception of the face and hands. This according to Islam is a modest dress for
the woman. But if you watch closely, most men in the world are nearly dressed
in this fashion. Look at Obama for example... what parts of his body are
usually seen when he is out in public... the face and the palms only. While common
sense tells us that a woman has more to cover than a man, Western values have
impressed upon us that a woman has to reveal more than a man.

If there are other issues regarding women’s rights, I expect
Maybenihilism to spell them out clearly, instead of rambling in sarcastic

Next is the question of gay rights. That calls for a more
fundamental question? Is homosexuality natural or unnatural? I know that’s a
deep subject. But here is something to think about. Look at the bodies of a man
and a woman, and you will readily see how they complement each other (sexually
specially). During sexual excitement, the bodies of a man and a woman undergo
changes that facilitate the sexual gratification of each other. What happens in
the case of two men? Because of the incompatibility there, gays resort to using
parts of the body that are not designed for this purpose. This is harmful for
the both partners. Islam prohibits all that is harmful to man.

I think, I have answered every point raised by
Maybenihilism. I expect more relevant points from him in this round. At least
he should try and respond to my rebuttal, point by point, instead of giving
unrelated generalizations.



What Valiya fails to understand is that without positing some actual benefit in Islam that the entire world can agree upon (such as my proposal of a new and renewable source of energy), Islam has a terrible Public Relations disaster on its hands.

Here is the problem, Valiya --- and all these are from Sahih Muslim or Bukhari, the two most accepted collections of Hadith, as well as Dawud which is also widely accepted:

1. Muhammad - ????
Muhammad, in his late middle-ages, married a 6 year old girl then consummated the relationship when she turned 9:

Narrated `Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

If you would, in good conscience, let a man do that to one of your daughters, most of the Western world would consider you a sicko, deserving to be locked up and beaten by up by prison gangs (who draw the line when it comes to evils such as this). Most of them would hate you --- viscerally, deeply, with a burning desire to see your entire civilization burned to the ground, just for this.

2. Muhammad - advocate of war rape, woman slavery

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that: "And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).

Abu Sa"id Al Khudri said "The Apostle of Allaah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of Apostle of Allaah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So, Allaah the exalted sent down the Qur"anic verse "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hand posses." This is to say they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

To summarize, according to the Hadith, it is lawful for soldiers to capture women in war, have sex with them even though their husbands are still alive --- have sex with them even in the presence of their husbands, and sell for ransom once one is done with them.

You might argue that the noble Mujahideen had to get the woman's permission before having sex, but imagine the mind-state of these poor women: their families had been killed, they were captured by men with swords who had killed many of their relatives --- brothers, fathers, uncles, grandfathers --- and they're going to willingly have sex? You can argue this point but the entire Western world will laugh at you, and much of the East will, also. And do we really imagine Muhammad --- a man who, in his fifties, consummated his marriage with 9 year old Aisha --- is all that concerned with valid consent from a woman?

3. Muhammad - oppressor of women's equality before the law

Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."

Need I comment why the West would hate this?

4. Muhammad - killer of apostasizers

Narrated `Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Need I comment?

5. Muhammad - Jew hater / believer in sentient trees

The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

The West generally has a bad impression of those who speak well of murdering Jews.

These are just four points, but very prominent ones. Muslims generally do not publicize these Hadiths, but they are there, and have been used in all Muslim countries as the guiding hand of Muslim law and actions.

So we have the following problem:

Muhammad, while an old man, had sex with a 9 year old.
His armies captured women, had sex with them (no mention of consent), and sold them as slaves.
He denied woman an equally valid testimony under Islamic law --- a principle which puts all women in danger before the law.
He advocated the murder of apostates.
He said the last day would not come until a Jewish genocide took place.

And here is what we can reasonably conclude about Valiya:

Valiya prefers a society in which 6 years old are married and the relationship is "consummated" at age 9, to one in which this is outlawed.
Valiya prefers a society where Islamic slavery is in place, where captive woman are in subjection to their slave-owners, who can have sex with them as they wish then sell them off when they are done. No age of consent is mentioned in any of these Islamic laws, either, so we can assume that this would involve a great deal of minors. We could have a society where this was all illegal, but Valiya hates such a society.
Valiya prefers a society where a woman's testimony is not equal to that of a man, etc.
Valiya prefers a society where those who leave Islam are killed.
On the last day, Valiya would listen to the trees to see if a Jew was behind it, and if a Jew was, Valiya would gladly kill that Jew.

If you voiced these beliefs in the presence of a good Westerner, they would hate you. If you were in their house, they would kick you out. !
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by sabrin100 1 year ago
Mohammad was not a Jewish hater. This argument would make Americans a Jap hater , they threw a atom bomb, after the end of second world war , not on Germany , but on Japan. Con arguments are based on the nature of the state which existed around thousands of years before when women and even men had no rights at all , Example right to inheritance and decision making was gained by the western women in 18th century . That right already existed in Islam . Con also forgets Islam gave birth to Sufism which is universal and existed peacefully within Islamic empire during the period when there were 30 years war between Catholics and Protestants in Germany and all over Germany . There were diversity of culture and religion in all Muslim dominated kingdoms and it is still there . As for wealth , English were stuck by the wealth of the Mughal Empire . Just like today , West envies the wealth of the Arabs and is frightened the potential wealth and power of the muslims countries -especially their coming together. Nobody dubs another civilization Satanic , unless it is afraid of that civilization . Yes , Islam has the potential to offer an alternative .
Posted by Valiya 1 year ago
Here is the answer to your question Maybenihilism:
In Islam, the Sharia is Divine law. The schools of jurisprudence
deal with the application of this law in our daily lives. It is often wondered
how the laws revealed 1400 years ago be applicable in our modern times. The answer
to that is the jurisprudence methodology, of interpreting how the divine law
can be applied now. This is a very wide subject, and it"s not possible to
explain all of it here.

Which school do I adhere to? You don"t have to abide by any
one of these schools. The jurisprudence that gives the strongest evidence for
its position for each issue in discussion is the one that go with.
Posted by mightbenihilism 1 year ago
Valiya, which school of Islamic jurisprudence do you think is best?

Posted by Valiya 1 year ago
Thanks Sabrin 100 for your encouraging words
Posted by sabrin100 1 year ago
Pro , I will give you tip . Nobody likes passing gas . God also likes Cleaniless . Muslims do . Then say he did nothing to put either rebuttal or show a logic of his own . He is just like the Chistian Priest of the old . Good luck . Keep your cool . You may even win
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
all religions are false, and false is unnecessary when being real
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