Islam is evil and should be banned worldwide.
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First round: acceptance and religious background
Second round: both parties shall present opening statements/main points
Third round: rebbutals
Fourth round: closing statements
I'm ready for a good debate. Good luck to Pro.
Now the significance of the history is the fact that the prophet not only endorsed violence in the name of Islam, but led the charge so to speak in these wrongdoings. The Quran also has many verses on killing and jihad such as these.
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
There are least 109 versus that refer to violence in the Quran.
Now, no reasonable person would interperet these verses to be a spiritual struggle. But let us analyze those who do. The following was a online communication between a Christian and Muslim
Q: Does Islam really teach peace? I am a Christian and I do not hate Muslims, but I read in the Qur"an verses like, "And slay them wherever ye catch them.." (2:191) and "..But if they turn away, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." (4:89). How can a peaceful religion teach these things? How do you explain these verses. These quotations from your Holy Book do really make us very uneasy with your faith. I would appreciate your reply.
A: Thank you very much for your kind words that you do not hate Muslims. Hate is not good for any person. I want to assure you that we Muslims also do not hate non-Muslims, be they Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhist or followers of any religion or no religion. Our religions does not allow killing any innocent person regardless of his or her religion. The life of all human beings is sacrosanct according to the teachings of the Qur"an and the guidance of our blessed Prophet Muhammad -peace be upon him and upon all the Prophets and Messengers of Allah.
The Qur"an says about the prohibition of murder:
وَلاَ تَقْتُلُوا النَّفْسَ الَّتِي حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ إِلاَّ بِالْحَقِّ ذَلِكُمْ وَصَّاكُمْ بِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ
"..Take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that ye may learn wisdom." (al-An"am 6:151)
Now, there is more to that, and here is the link, but it is not much different.
Now, if you read the Quran, you will notice that the Muslim in the online chat contradicted his precious book of peace. The Quran however preaches against killing except for law or justice. Because the Quran was so explicit in its verses on killing previously read, we can infer that the killing of infidels is just in the world of Islam. The Quran presumably advises against the killing of other Muslims.
Now, because I am a Christian, and am debating an athiest I'd like to point out one differencesbetween my religion and Islam. Con will probabbly bring up the murders and pilliging during the Crusades. Allow me to elaborate on the fact that the Bible did not ever tell the Europeans to kill mercillesly on the Crusades. The Quran, however, encourages the merciless killing of Infidels.
Now, let us compare the verses found in the Quran, and the history of Islam to real world events. The Prophet and Quran encouraged jihad on infidels, that is what Osama Bin-Laden did when he attacked the U.S. You can also take that example and use it for Hamas and its on going with Israel. This is also related to theprophet speaking of spreading Islam, only to pillage, kill, and rape. You can see this going on in Iraq, Syria, and Iran.
Finally, I'd like to speak on sharia law. Sharia law is the moral code and law in the Islamic world. It deals with many aspects of Islamic life as well. It is hateful and intolerant, and sexist. It forces women to cover themselves, endorses honor killings, allows very cruel and unusual punishments...... E.T.C. it is an intolerable and evil way to live.
If you read the Quran, study Mohammed, and compare to the real world situations, You will see the controlling and violent nature that Islam holds. Combine reasoning and commen sense, and you will see how cruel and disgusting this religion really is. A world wide ban would not only bring more peace to the world, it would also release the slaves of Sharia law. Because I only have a limited amount of space left, I will not speak on the practicality of this ban in the real world, and how it will affect the Islamic nations, until the next round, after adressing Con's remarks. Thank you for reading.
Pro lacks a certain fundamental understand of Islam. "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for god. It is the same god that Abraham believed in, and the same god that all Christians believe in.
"Violence in the Quran, [Historian Philip Jenkins] and others say, is largely a defense against attack."'
"Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible." -Historian Philip Jenkins
"By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide." -Historian Philip Jenkins
Here is a few examples of what Jenkins is talking about.
"And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." -Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites
"But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also." Genesis 38 when Onan is killed for ejaculating on the flood instead of in his sister-in-law
"Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." Psalm 137
There are 109 verses in the bible that relate to violence? You've got me there! I am just kidding however, as there are 1,318 verses in the bible that relate to violence. (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com...)
As far as I can tell, Christianity is much more evil than Islam. Now either we are considering both evil, or neither of them to be evil. I argue that neither are evil. Both the bible and the Qur'an were written in a very different time from now. The culture was different, and things that now have a scientific explanation were listed under the "God made dis" section of each one.
Pro seems to be under the pretense that banning things gets rid of them. Let me list a couple examples of bans that did not work out as planned...
Alcohol prohibition in the United States: http://www.pbs.org...
Christianity in the Roman Empire: http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...
Ban on drugs: http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com...
Ban on homosexuality in the bible: http://www.theguardian.com...
I think I've made it clear that bans don't work. By the way, good luck trying to enforce a ban on 1.6 Billion people, or if Pro would rather, 22.74% of all humans. (http://en.wikipedia.org...)
I'd like to hear pro elaborate on who will be enforcing this ban. Will it be Muslims? Of course not. Good luck invading them and overthrowing their government. Morale of invading soldiers would be non-existent, and morale of Muslim troops would be higher than ever. Also, if you want to keep Islam weak, why would you give the Sunni and the Shiite a common enemy? You could potentially stabilize the middle east, and this would really screw over an attempt to ban these people's livelihoods.
I argue that no matter how evil some think Islam may be, you cannot ban an idea. You cannot ban somebody's thoughts of how they came into existence. You cannot ban somebody's hopes for the future.
mc1058 forfeited this round.
Thanks for a thought provoking debate, and I hope that I managed to give some perspective on not only Islam, but on Christianity too. I hope that Pro comes back for closing statements.
Let the voting commence at once!
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