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Islam is not a religion of peace

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Started: 8/30/2016 Category: Religion
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MiscoSRB

Pro

Lets start?
Radical_Spaghetti2

Con

Pro goes first, my friend...

Let's hear what you have to say,
If possible I'd love to see some statistics to back up your claim...
Debate Round No. 1
MiscoSRB

Pro

OK lets start.
Islam is NOT a religion of peace!!!
Should religion of peace support killing people that are not muslim?!
Islamic violence is a religious problem.
The fulfillment of Islam depends on the subjugation of non-Muslims so that violence against non-Muslims become the essence of religion.

When Hamas states that, "Killing Jews is worship that draws us close to Allah" or the ISIS rapists tell Yazidi girls that rape "draws them closer to Allah", they really do mean it.
To its followers the validity of Islam is directly connected to its physical supremacy. As followers of the purported "final revelation" to mankind, Muslims not only have the obligation to conquer and subjugate the rest of the world, their religion is meaningful to the extent that they can carry on the work begun by Mohammed. The Jihadis who massacre non-Muslims are missionaries of their faith.

That is why Muslim terrorists shout, "Allahu Akbar", "Allah is greater." The old Mohammedan taunt aimed at Jews was then directed at Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and all the world's religions. By killing their non-Muslim victims, the Muslims proved that Allah was greater than their gods.
Forcing non-Muslims into a submissive position affirms the truth and power of Islam. By causing infidels to "lose face", the Muslim fulfills the Koranic verse which promises that Allah had sent Mohammed to make Islam supreme over all religions. By contrast when Islam "loses face", an act of blasphemy has been committed, which can only be righted religiously by killing the non-Muslims, thereby forcing them to lose face and once again affirming the physical superiority of Islam.

This creates the cycle of violence, which is not the result of Christian or Jewish oppression, but of the need for Muslims to validate the truth of their faith by oppressing non-Muslims. To co-exist with non-Muslims is blasphemous for a Muslim, when his Koran proclaims "Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends" (Koran 5:51). Mohammed's final command was to ethnically cleanse the Jews and Christians of the Arabian Peninsula. ISIS sees itself as completing the work that he began.
3rd round I will put statistics
Radical_Spaghetti2

Con

What you seem to be forgetting is that not all Muslims are ISIS members, and not all Muslims are violent...

There were 1.6 billion Muslims in the world as of 2010, roughly 23% of the global population. Do you honestly believe that there are 1.6 billion people who follow a religion of hate? ISIS has an estimated 31,500 people in their militant ranks, which, unsurprisingly enough, is no where near the amount of people that follow the Islamic faith.

Almost all Muslims across all the Schools of Thought are non-radical or peaceful and have always condemned violence against innocent people. The Quran says, "" whoever kills a single soul, except for murder or causing corruption on land, it is as though he has killed the whole of mankind, and whoever saves one life it is as though he has saved all mankind." (The Table Spread, 5:32)

The Quran provides an environment where people can fully enjoy freedom of thought and freedom of religion and allows people to live by the faith and values they believe in.

The word "Islam" is derived from the word meaning "peace" in Arabic. سلام or in it's english pronunciation, salam, was what Islam was founded on.

"O You who believe! Enter absolutely into peace (Islam). Do not follow in the footsteps of satan. He is an outright enemy to you." (Holy Quran: 2, 208)

There are many texts in the Quran that show peace for all people of all religions. So what you say, that 15999968500 people are people of hate and of violence is completely absurd. Islam IS a religion of peace, it is a religion of peace and kindness, and for all of those who face Islamaphobia in the United States and abroad, I and many other people stand with you.

I could sit here and make the point that Christianity is not a religion of peace. I could say Judaism is not a religion of peace. It's all the same, you cannot judge the many for the actions of a few, for the radicals and extremists who twist holy text to suit their agenda's. You cannot blame the innocent for something they have not done.

I've used this quote time and time again, but it still rings true...

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
-Yoda
Debate Round No. 2
MiscoSRB

Pro

Ten Obvious Reasons Why
Islam is Not a Religion of Peace

#1

18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).

#2

Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing his religion. This included women.

Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#3

Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.

Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#4

After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other.

Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years among the unbelievers at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died. She even miscarried Muhammad's grandchild after having her ribs broken by the man who became the second caliph.

It was the same caliph, Umar, who ordered the death of the first convert to Islam at Medina, an elderly leader who became a close companion to Muhammad and proved his worth in battle. Sa'd ibn Ubadah was killed after a failed bid to be caliph.

Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "perfect woman." 10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death.

Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions. The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned). The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth. The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons. The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.

The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time. Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war...

And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam!

#5

Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.

#6

Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.

None of these other religions are at war with each other.

#7

Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by formally threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.

#8

Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.

#9

The Quran never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.

#10

"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com...
http://www.webcitation.org...

Channel Four (2006): 31% of younger British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified compared to 14% of those over 45.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk...

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org...

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com...
http://www.ynetnews.com...

World Public Opinion: 83% of Egyptians approve of attacks on American troops.
26% of Indonesians approve of attacks on American troops.
26% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on American troops.
68% of Moroccans approve of attacks on American troops.
90% of Palestinians approve of attacks on American troops.
72% of Jordanians approve of attacks on American troops.
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda"s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org...

World Public Opinion (2009): 30% of Palestinians support attacks on American civilians working in Muslim countries. 24% support the murder of Americans on U.S. soil.
Only 74% of Turks and 55% of Pakistanis disapprove of terror attacks against civilians on U.S. soil.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org...

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org...

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org...

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org...

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be...

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.danielpipes.org...

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://www.pewresearch.org...

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org...

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://www.pewresearch.org...

27% of British Muslims do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.danielpipes.org...

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.danielpipes.org...

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.danielpipes.org...

World Public Opinion: Majorities in Egypt (63%) and Libya (61%) supported the 9/11/2012 attacks against American embassies, including Benghazi.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org...

These are normal people that are supporting terrorism!!!
Not ISIS!!!NORMAL LIVING PEOPLE!!!
Islam was made on state of war.Did Muhamed convert other people peacefully?
NO
He fought those who were against Islam.
And when you say there are 1.6 billion muslims in world and i show you these statistics do you see how many people are supporting Islam!!

Over 300 million are supporting terrorism and killing of other people for no reason.

THERE IS NO RELIGION OF PEACE!!
Radical_Spaghetti2

Con

Indeed, Allah is with those who are righteous and those who do good. (Holy Quran 16:129)

ISIS does not speak for Islam. They are thugs and killers, part of a cult of death... Moreover, the vast majority of terrorist victims around the world are Muslim. The people in ISIS and who commit these terror attacks are extremists, or a person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views, especially one who resorts to or advocates extreme action.

Extremists take text like the Quran or the Bible and twist it to suit their own needs. Islam is not a religion of hate, it is a religion of peace. Throughout history they have been victims of death and hate, such as the Christian Crusades where almost 1 million Muslims died.

You say that 18,000 Islamic acts of terrorism have been committed over the past decade, which is on average about 1800 a year over 10 years. Sometimes religion is a cause " or at least an excuse " like in the bombings by Christian extremist Eric Rudolph or the genocide in Sudan. But most often it is not. Calling, say, the 9/11 terrorists "Muslim" is like calling Hitler "Christian": true yet misleading. It is Islamophobia, not a serious attempt to understand the world as it is.

During his lifetime, Muhammad is not known to have murdered anyone. Neither did Muhammad give any order to kill Jews. The story tells us that Jews were given the sentence of death for their treason according to the Jewish Law by the arbiter who was chosen by the said Jews themselves. Their arbiter made this decision with their willing appointment of him, per Biblical law (not Quranic law), and for the crime of high treason. Muhammad had no say in this matter, and gave no such order.

When you say "Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that." You are using one of the many misquoted parts of the Quran, that people use as an example of Islam's "hate", but because of faulty translation, what many people read is this:

"They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: Fighting therein is a great/grave (matter); but to prevent access to God, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in God's Cause have the hope of God's Mercy." (Holy Quran 2:217-218)

Again the translation has been altered and before answering the quote, I will provide a clear translation:
They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of God to prevent access to the path of God, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members. "Persecution and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein. (Holy Quran 2:217)
Those who believed and those who suffered exile and fought (and strove and struggled) in the path of God,- they have the hope of the Mercy of God. And God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. (Holy Quran 2:218)

We see now how detrimental it is for the Islam-haters to use authentic unaltered translations, as it exposes their methods of deception. The context of these verses refers to an expedition of a group of the companions of Muhammad, under the lead of Abdullah bin Jahsh Asadi.

You say "Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.
None of these other religions are at war with each other."

I'm calling this one out as a completely false statement. You have no proof that this is happening, you have no source that says this is happening, and did you know, ISIS mostly kills other Muslims... Not Christians, not Jews, but other Muslims.
You say not a week goes by that they do not attempt to kill people of other religions, but this is complete crap. Fundamentalists, or an adherent of fundamentalism, a religious movement characterized by a strict belief in the literal interpretation of religious texts. There are many strict Muslims in the United States alone... Are you to say that every week there are attempted murders in the United States, by only Muslims, but no one hears about these? I hate to break it to you, but that doesn't happen.

Let me make a suggestion here, now, I have found 120+ instructions from the Quran to be kind, merciful and compassionate. I'll list 10:
1. The reward of goodness is nothing but goodness. (Holy Quran 55:61)
2. Those who spend in prosperity and adversity, and those who suppress anger and pardon men; and Allah loves those who do good. "(Holy Quran 3:135)
3. So Allah gave them the reward of this world, as also an excellent reward of the next; and Allah loves those who do good. ""(Holy Quran 3:149)
4. So Allah rewarded them, for what they said, with Gardens beneath which streams flow. Therein shall they abide; and that is the reward of those who do good. "(Holy Quran 5:86)
5. And remember the time when We said: "Enter this village and eat therefrom " wherever you will " plentifully; and enter the gate submissively and say: "God! forgive us our sins." We shall forgive you your sins and We shall give increase to those who do good. (Holy Quran 2:59)
6. And when he attained his age of full strength, We granted him judgment and knowledge. And thus do We reward the doers of good. (Holy Quran 12:23)
7. They said, "O exalted one, he has a very aged father, so take one of us in his stead; for we see thee to be of those who do good." (Holy Quran 12:79)
8. Their flesh reaches not Allah, nor does their blood, but it is your righteousness that reaches Him. Thus has He subjected them to you, that you may glorify Allah for His guiding you. And give glad tidings to those who do good. (Holy Quran 22:38)
9. And when he reached his age of full strength and attained maturity, We gave him wisdom and knowledge; and thus do We reward those who do good. (Holy Quran 28:15)
10. A guidance and a mercy for those who do good. (Holy Quran 31:4)

You say that Islam is a religion of hate, but I have found so many examples of text specifically from the Quran that say to be kind to one another, to be tolerant of each other.

You say that the Quran NEVER speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but I've found plenty of text that says to be tolerant and kind towards people of other religions... But, what about this?
That is why Muslims also treat Jews and Christians, described in the Quran as "the People of the Book," with great justice, love and compassion. God says in the Quran:
"God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just." (Holy Quran 28:12)
This says nothing about being Muslim, it says that their God (Allah) does not say that you cannot be nice to people who have fought you in religion, or people you may have had conflict with over religion. It says that God loves those who are just, those who are morally right and fair.

This religion is a religion of peace, of love, of kindness. As all religions are founded on. How people interpret that information is up to them, but the Quran was intended by whomever wrote it, whether it be their God or Mohammad or whoever else, to be a book of morals, of peace, and of lessons. Islam is a religion of peace, and it is the extremists who interpret this holy text that give Islam a bad name. Ignorant people who completely refuse to see the facts that are presented to them are the ones who are spreading hate, not the religion of Islam. The people who follow the Quran are misinterpreted people who are overshadowed by the terrible acts that radicals do in the name of what they think is their religion.

Throughout history, there have always been scapegoats, someone to blame when things get rough. That is human nature, to say it is another's fault before your own. It was the Jews, then the Poles, then the Germans, then the Russians and the list goes on. But now we look around and see war and destruction, and we don't want to say that, maybe, it's our own fault, so instead we look for someone else.

There is a religion of peace, and sadly, it is being destroyed by people who jump to conclusions and look for someone to blame.

Sources:
https://quran.com...
https://www.quora.com...
http://www.frontpagemag.com...
http://www.dictionary.com...
http://waitbutwhy.com...
http://www.dictionary.com...
http://www.dictionary.com...

It has been a great debate... May the best debater win.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by MiscoSRB 3 months ago
MiscoSRB
Again!!!I am not saying what religion is bad and that things!!!I am saying that Islam is not a religion of peace!!!
Posted by canis 3 months ago
canis
That is why we have the updated version of islam....
https://www.youtube.com...
Posted by Radical_Spaghetti2 3 months ago
Radical_Spaghetti2
Well, in Christianity the Bible said that if you raped a woman who was married than as long as you paid her husband, all was forgiven...

Religions have things in them that might have been socially acceptable hundreds of years ago, but today, no one follows those parts of say the Bible, the Quran, etc.

So religion is up to interpretation, but to say that an entire religion is hateful, well that's completely false.
But yes, some people interpret that information in an immoral way, and yes religious texts say things that people no longer follow. So I don't believe I misrepresented any information.

I just assumed (Which was my fault entirely, I shouldn't have assumed anything of people) that it was common knowledge that these books were written hundreds of years ago when social standards were completely different.
Posted by Cooldudebro 3 months ago
Cooldudebro
Just a quick thing:

What Islam and the Q'uran mean by "good" is their own objective view on morality. They find that stoning homosexuals is "good". That killing rape victims is "good". I don't know if you simply want to look past all the call to violence. However, I don't want to be a part of a society where that is "good". If you're going to misrepresent information, at least do it convincingly. I would vote for Pro; but my voting rights on this site have been rebuked; which caused me to totally abandon debate.org to migrate to the superior site of EDeb8 where I actually try 50% unlike here where I don't try since many of these debates plain suck. XP
Posted by MiscoSRB 3 months ago
MiscoSRB
You got all websites linked.....
Posted by SomeGuyWhoIsCool 3 months ago
SomeGuyWhoIsCool
Pro didn't put any sources.....
Posted by canis 3 months ago
canis
Islam does not have to conquer anything, all other equael.
https://www.youtube.com...
Posted by MiscoSRB 3 months ago
MiscoSRB
HOW DONT YOU GE IT??!!
I am telling you ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION OF PEACE!!
And every religion is religion of WAR!!
I hate people that say some religion is religion of peace.
That is not true!!
Christianity IS NOT a religion of peace!!
Islam IS NOT a religion of peace!!
Judaism IS NOT a religion of peace!!
THERE IS NO RELIGION OF PEACE!!
Religion is made so people could fight and conquer other land cause they are "infidels"
Posted by canis 3 months ago
canis
So you found nothing that was not true in the video....I knew..
Posted by Radical_Spaghetti2 3 months ago
Radical_Spaghetti2
No you are not... You are showing me a video of someone who is using certain instances to push an agenda... I watched that video there is no facts whatsoever. That video shows "data" from unreliable sources... It is incorrect...

The guy in the video stated that there were more people going out to join ISIS than joining the British military and I found the exact source he stated... The entire page says that the British Military is shrinking because of less overseas battles... and that article said said and I quote " That means, by a rough estimate, more British people have travelled out to join Isis in Iraq and Syria than helped bulk up our own reservist force last year. That"s an estimated 400 to 500 jihadists, by the way."
They then continued to describe the fact that people don't want to join because they don't want to be involved in war.

This isn't a "omg all these Muslims are terrible" its a "Britain has a small military and its even smaller than the small number of extremists leaving to join a radicalized group"

This man is twisting information... And you, being willfully ignorant choose to believe it.

I'm really done with this because you obviously aren't going to listen to a person online... and no matter what I say is going to do anything...

Continue being ignorant and small minded, enjoy spreading hate and terror to people, have a nice day.
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