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Islam is the Religion of God and not Christianity

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Started: 7/25/2011 Category: Religion
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What is the true religion God intended for us? Islam or Christianity. Christianity is currently the worlds largest religion, and Islam is the 2nd largest religion, and also the fastest growing religion. First round is acceptance round. 2nd round is opening argument. 3rd and 4th round is rebuttal and new argument. 5th round is closing argument. I will be arguing for Islam and my opponent shall be arguing for Christianity. The attention for this argument is not to attack Christianity but to lead people to the truth which is Islam.


I will be arguing that Christianity is the way God wants or us and not Islam. I look forward to Pro's opening arguments.
Debate Round No. 1


I would like to thank you for accepting this debate and wish you luck. This debate is intended to become more aware and accepting of other religions and not to convert to say one group is wrong is damned.

What Islam Means:
Islam means Submission as in to god. It comes from the Arabic word "salaam" which means Peace. So Islam's two main ideas are "peace" and "submission to god". And to be a "Muslim" means to "Gain peace by submitting to God".
So since Islam is about Peace, anyone who doesn't is GOING AGAINST Islam, so please don't bring up Radicalism, Extremism, Nation of Islam, or Shiism (no offense to them but they aren't Real SUNNI Muslims).

The word "Allah":
Allah means God. It is not a different God than the Christian and Jewish God. "Allah" was used before the Qu'ran was written and is in the Arabic BIBLE. The Hebrew bible refers to God as "Elohim" which is similar to Allah/Ellah/Allahom. And in the Passion of the Christ the version of the language Jesus spoke (Aramaic), Jesus(pbuh) says "Allah". Muslims most commonly refer to god as "Allah", and also "ellah", "allahom", it all sounds the same right? That's because it is.

Islam and Christianity is very similar but disagrees on two main points....

1) God has 3 forms
Christianity believes God is 1/3 of himself.
The Trinity Theory came about 325 years after Jesus died.
Islam says there is one god.

2) Jesus died on the cross
Christianity believes God forsakes Jesus and let him get punished and crucified.
In Islam, Jesus was replaced on the cross and ascended to have and will have his natural death after his 2nd coming.

Muslims respect the "REAL" bible but we believe it has been corrupted and there's proof of it.

In 325 AD, Paul and the Romans in the council of nicea decided what should and not be in the bible so Christianity would expand and become the Roman Empires official religion.

Satan helped deceive to get more people worshipping a man, then worshipping God, with the trinity, it worked but Islam is growing fast.

Even the Old testament was corrupted to fit their own beliefs.

Deuteronomy Chapter 18: verse 18:

"I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee ; and I will put my words in his mouth." (Deuteronomy 18: 18)

"A prophet from among their brethren" means from the brethren of the Jews, meaning the Arabs. Abraham had two sons. His first born son was Ishmael (from whom the Arabs descend) and a his second born son is Isaac (from whom Jews descend).

"Like unto thee" means the expected prophet will be like Moses. Jesus is not like Moses, but Mohammad صلى الله عليه وسلم is like Moses.

Comparison Title

صلى الله عليه وسلم

1. Father and Mother:
Moses: father and a mother.
Muhammad: father and a mother.
Jesus: a mother, and no human father.

2. Birth
Moses: normal, natural course
Muhammad: normal, natural course,
Jesus: special miracle.

3. Marriage
Moses married and begot children.
Muhammad also married and begot children.
Jesus remained a bachelor all his life.

Moses was accepted as a prophet by his people.
No doubt the Jews gave endless trouble to Moses and they murmured in the wilderness, but as a nation, as a whole, they acknowledged that Moses was a Messenger of God sent to them.
Muhammad was also accepted as a prophet by his people.
The Arabs of Mecca persecuted prophet Mohammad & his followers and he had to flee from the city of Mecca to Medina. However, by the time of his death, the Arab nation as a whole had accepted him as a Messenger of God.
But according to the Bible-

"He (Jesus) came unto his own, but his own received him not"

(John 1:11).

And even today, after more than two thousand years, Jesus' people (the Jews) still do not recognize him as a Messiah.

5. "Other-Worldly" Kingdom (the power or prerogative of inflicting capital punishment)
Moses was a prophet as well as a king. Moses possessed the power of inflicting capital punishment. For example, the Israelite who was found picking up firewood on the Sabbath Day, Moses had him stoned to death. There are other crimes also mentioned in the Bible for which capital punishment was inflicted on the Jews at the behest of

Moses Muhammad was also a prophet as well as the head of the Islamic State.

Jesus claimed a spiritual kingdom only; in other words he only claimed to be a prophet. When Jesus was dragged before the Roman Governor, Pontius Pilate, charged for sedition, Jesus made a convincing point in his defence to refute the false charges: Jesus answered, "'My kingdom is not of this world': If my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now is my kingdom not from hence". (John 18:36)

Moses not only gave the Ten Commandments to the Israelites, but a very comprehensive ceremonial law for the guidance of his people.

Muhammad also brought new laws and new regulations to his people based on the Qu'ran.
He came to a people steeped in barbarism and ignorance. They married their step-mothers; they buried their daughters alive; drunkenness, adultery, idolatry and gambling were the order of the day.

From this abject barbarism, Muhammad elevated them, into torch-bearers of light and learning. Muhammad gave his people a Law and Order they never had before.

As regards Jesus, when the Jews felt suspicious of him that he might be an impostor with designs to pervert their teachings, Jesus took pains to assure them that he had not come with a new religion-no new laws and no new regulations. Jesus said: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled". (Matthew 5:17-18).

Departure Moses died a natural death.
Muhammad also died a natural death.
But according to Christianity, Jesus was violently killed on the cross. (Raised to heaven in Islam)

Final Abode Moses lies buried in earth.
Muhammad also lies buried in earth.
But according to the Christians, Jesus rests in heaven.

Biblical Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم

Shabir Ally: Mohammad صلى الله عليه وسلم in The Bible?

1. Deuteronomy 18: 18

We read the following words addressed to Moses in the Book of Deuteronomy Chapter 18: verse 18:

"I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee ; and I will put my words in his mouth." (Deuteronomy 18: 18)

"A prophet from among their brethren" means from the brethren of the Jews, meaning the Arabs. Abraham had two sons. His first born son was Ishmael (from whom the Arabs descend) and a his second born son is Isaac (from whom Jews descend).

"Like unto thee" means the expected prophet will be like Moses. Jesus is not like Moses, but Mohammad صلى الله عليه وسلم is like Moses.

"It is expedient for you that I go away," says Jesus, "for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart I will send him unto you." (John 16: 7)

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now." (John 16: 12)

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come." (John 16: 13)

This means Muhammad is a prophet ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, since he was given the Qu'ran, you must follow the Qu'ran, and in the Qu'ran it says ISLAM is the religion of God.


Christianity is from God and not Islam for the following reasons:

(1) Authenticity: What proof did Muhammad give to show that he was really chosen by God? Jesus, the founder of the Christian faith had many miracles to prove he was of God. (Matt 1:19-25; Mark 2:6-8; Matt 3:14-17) So did Paul and the other disciples who wrote the New Testament. (Acts 20:8-12; Matt 10:1-8) Muhammad, however, came with no supernatural proofs of his divine commission. This fact is admitted as his listeners accuse him of imposture and forgery. (Sura 17:89-93; 21:5, 6). In view of the many signs the previous prophets like Moses and Jesus performed, did his listeners not have a right to ask: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord"? (Sura 6:37; 13:7, Ali) What is faith without proof? Anyone could claim to be sent of God. Moses and Christ proved it by the performance of many miracles, but where were Muhammad's miracles? He confessed in the Quran to having none. (Suras 2:118; 10:38; 11:13; 6:109) Plainly it quotes God as saying, "We refrain from sending Signs, only because men of former years treated them as false." (Sura 17:59, Ali) The Bible writers proved they were of God, so did Jesus, Muhammad didn't.

(2) The historical truth about Jesus: The New Testament claims Jesus was God's Son who died on the cross, the Qur'an denies both these things. Both books claim to be inspired of God, so we can't settle the issue that way. And anyone can make that claim and be lying. Gospel writers were eyewitnesses. (1 John 1:1-4; 2 Pet 1:12-18) Matthew, John, James, and Peter were all eyewitnesses to Jesus' life. Luke, Mark, and Paul were contemporaries of Jesus and got their information from eyewitnesses. (i.e. Luke 1:1-4) Early church fathers like Clement the bishop of Rome from 88-99 AD, Ignatius (35-107 AD) and many others quote from the New Testament, placing them all firmly in the first century C.E. So the Gospels were written by contemporaries and eyewitness of Jesus within a generation of the events, and their claim is supported by secular 1st century historians Tacitus and Josephus who confirm that Jesus did die on the cross. (The Annals, by Tacitus, Book XV. 44; Loeb edition, 1981, Vol. V, p. 283; Jewish Antiquities, by Flavius Josephus, Book 18, Chapter 3, paragraphs 1-5, The New Complete Works of Josephus) So the NT version is true because it is backed up by secular historians of that period and supported by eyewitness and contemporaneous testimony; the Qur'an isn't. Muhammad didn't start dictating the Qur'an till 610 C.E., and in the absence of proof of his divine calling, we can't take his word over those who were around in Jesus time or close enough to it to know the facts of what really happened. The word of God cannot contain misinformation about Jesus. The Qur'an does.

(3) The Qur'an has a morally inadequate view of God: Being all-loving, God is the highest standard of love. Yet, the Qur'an minimizes God's love for mankind. It says: "Allah loveth not transgressors" [la uhibb al-mua'tadeen] (Sura 2:190) "Allah loves [hubb] not those who do mischief." [al-mufasideen] (Sura 28:77) "Allah loveth [hubb] not those who reject Faith. [al kafireen] (Sura 3:32) "Allah loveth [hubb] not those who do wrong." [ad-dalemeen] (Sura 3:57) "Allah loveth [hubb] not any arrogant boaster. [kul mkhtal fkhur] (Sura 31:18) Most humans on earth are guilty of these things and other negative qualities, so the Qur'an is saying that God doesn't even love most of mankind. Here the Qur'an says that God does not love the very people that the Bible says he loved so much that he gave up his only Son to die for them. (John 3:16) Islam thus argues that God only loves those who do good, that we have to earn God's love, but what kind of morality is this? This contradicts the previous prophets, for Jesus said you should "love your enemies" and pray for them. (Matt 5:44) To follow the Qur'an's advice we'd be hating our neighbours, and that cannot thus be a religion of love when we hate everyone who happens to be different from us. Christianity says we must respect their differences and love them anyway.

Now to address Pro's points: The word "Allah": Millions of false religions have used the word "God" and turned out to be wrong in their worship, so I don't see the use of the word "Allah" as proving anything.

"Christianity believes God is 1/3 of himself."

This is Pro's interpretation of what Christians believe, but its not true of us. We believe God is fully God.

"The Trinity Theory came about 325 years after Jesus died."

Incorrect. The trinity was taught by long before 325 AD by the church fathers, for example Ignatus (30-107 AD), Justin Martyr (165 AD), Irenaeus (200 AD), Clement (215 AD), and many more. Clement says: "...the Divine Word, He that is truly most manifest Deity, He that is made equal to the Lord of the universe; because He was His Son, and the Word was in God....I understand nothing else than the Holy Trinity to be meant; for the third is the Holy Spirit, and the Son is the second, by whom all things were made according to the will of the Father. There was, then, a Word importing an unbeginning eternity; as also the Word itself, that is, the Son of God, who being, by equality of substance, one with the Father, is eternal and uncreate." (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 2, pp. 202, 468, 574)

It was taught long before that in the Bible itself. (1) Isaiah 44:24tells us that Yahweh has made all things, stretched out the heavens alone, and spread out the earth by Himself, yet scripture reveals the Father as creator (Isaiah 64:8), the Son as creator (John 1:3, Colossians 1:16), and the Holy Spirit as creator (Job 26:13, 33:4). Combine this with God's use of the plural pronouns "us" and "our" in Genesis 1:26 and the Trinitarian has an airtight case. But the debate isn't about the trinity so I'll stop there. Just like Islam, we too teach there is only one God.

He claims that which books were to be accepted was decided in 325, but this isn't true. In 325 they put together the same books that were always accepted long before that. Pro also claims the Bible has been corrupted but has given no proof of this, until he does it's just an empty claim. The Qur'an itself refutes him. "After those prophets We sent forth Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Torah already revealed, and gave him the Gospel, in which there is guidance and light, corroborating that which was revealed before it in the Torah, a guide and an admonition to the righteous. Therefore let the followers of the Gospel judge in accordance with what Allah has revealed therein. Evil-doers are those that do not base their judgements on Allah's revelations." (Sura 5, Al-Ma'ida [The Table], verses 46, 47) If, at the time these words were written, the Bible had already been corrupted, how could believers in the Gospel judge in accordance with what Allah had revealed therein'? Thus believers in the Qur'an accept that the Bible was uncorrupted at the time the Qur'an was written (7th century C.E.). On the other hand, there exist manuscripts of the Bible written four hundred or five hundred years before that time that are on public display in museums today. When comparing our modern Bibles with these ancient manuscripts, it is easily seen that there is no significant difference. The Bible is substantially the same. We have today in our possession 5,300 known Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, another 10,000 Latin Vulgates, and 9,300 other early versions (MSS), giving us more than 24,000 manuscript copies of portions of the New Testament in existence today! (taken from McDowell's Evidence That demands a Verdict, vol.1, 1972 pgs.40-48; and Time, January 23, 1995, pg.57) With such a wealth of manuscripts we can delineate what the originals said. I'll rebut the rest of his arguments in the next round.
Debate Round No. 2


QWERTY12345 forfeited this round.


I do hope Pro finds time to post in the next round.

Pro cites Deu 18:18 as being authentic history about what Moses said, so either this chapter wasn't corrupted, or the Qur'an relies upon a corrupted passage for its teaching. In the Qur'an, the Torah, Psalms and Gospel are time and again shown to be God's reliable Word. The Qur'an was written for the purpose of confirming these books. "Children of Israel . . . Have faith in My revelations, which confirm your Scriptures." (Sura 2, Al-Baqara [The Cow], verse 41) "A Book confirming their own has come to them from Allah." (Sura 2, Al-Baqara [The Cow], verse 89) "When it is said to them: ‘Believe in what Allah has revealed,' they reply: ‘We believe in what was revealed to us.' But they deny what has since been revealed, although it is the truth, corroborating their own scriptures." (Sura 2, Al-Baqara [The Cow], verse 91) "He has revealed to you the Book with the truth, confirming the scriptures which preceded it; for He has already revealed the Torah and the Gospel for the guidance of men, and the distinction between right and wrong." (Sura 3, Al-Imran [The Imrans], verses 3, 4) "This is a blessed Book which We have revealed, confirming what came before it." (Sura 6, Al-An‛am [Cattle], verse 92) "If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you." (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) "What We have revealed to you in the Book is the truth confirming previous scriptures."—Sura 35, Al-Fatir [The Creator], verse 31.

Thus, by the time the Qur'an was given the Torah was still the word of God, and my opponent's citation of Deu 18:18 only confirm its reliability. Obviously the Qur'an wasn't telling them to trust corrupted books for guidance. But we also have manuscripts in the original Hebrew which confirm that Deu 18 reads much the same today as back then. We can thus trust Deu 18 to tell us who "their brothers" are, just as Pro trusted it to give him the prophecy in the first place. It doesn't say "their brothers" are the Ishmaelites. Deu 18:15 interprets verse 18. It says: "The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a prophet FROM THE MIDST OF THEE, of thy brethren, like unto me." God is speaking to Israel through Moses, so "from the MIDST of thee (Israel)" means from among Israel. It can not mean from among the Ishmaelites because they were not there, and Deuteronomy never has God addressing them.

Other examples: "But over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour." (Leviticus 25:46) "Ye" refers to all of Israel, and "your brethren" refers to all of Israel.

"Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the Lord thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not they brother. . . That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren…to the end that he may prolong his days in his kingdom, he, and his children, in the midst of Israel." (Deuteronomy 17:15, 20) "Thou" refers to all of Israel, and "thy brethren" and "his brethren" refers to all of Israel. We know this is true because God chose Saul from the tribe of Benjamin as the first king over Israel (see 1 Samuel 9:15-10:24), and ever subsequent king came from the sons of Israel. The reference to "brothers" means the descendants of Israel in each case. (Exodus 1:6; 2:11; 4:18; 32:27; Leviticus 10:6; 21:10; 25:46; Numbers 8:26; 16:10; 18:2; 20:3; 25:6; 32:6; Deuteronomy 1:16, 28; 3:18, 20; 10:9; 15:7; 23:19; 24:7, 14)

Pro tells us Muhammad is like Moses by birth, marriage, etc, none of which are mentioned in Deu 18, but anyone can play that game. One could also reason that Moses was a Jew, so was Jesus, Mohammed was not; Moses was a Hebrew, so was Jesus, not Muhammad. I don't believe these games get us anywhere. Typical similarities claimed by Muslims are: 1) Both had normal births. 2) Both had normal deaths. 3) Both led armies. 4) Both were political leaders. 5) Both were rejected by their people but later became their accepted leaders. 6) Both brought new laws to their people. 7) Both emigrated before ultimately obtaining power.

Points 1-7 are superficial similarities HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING A PROPHET. In fact, these points are true of a vast number of rebels who overthrew their governments. A Biblical example is Jeroboam (1 Kings 11-15). Modern day examples include: Pol Pot, Mao Tse-tung, and Fidel Castro. All of these men had natural births and deaths, were married, were parents, emigrated before assuming power, at first were not recognized as the leaders of their people, they all led armies, and ultimately established themselves as political leaders who brought new laws to their people, and were statesmen. Castro and Mao Tse-tung have more in common with Moses, since they had surviving descendants from their male line. Jeroboam and Muhammad had male descendants but no descendants from their male line survived. I believe Pol Pot has a daughter but no sons. Outside of God's intended meaning behind the likeness of the prophets, all of these comparisons are insignificant. If someone tells you that you are like their friend, you would never assume that the likeness that they are talking about has no boundaries. They have a particular likeness in mind when they tell you this. Therefore, we must examine the context of God's statement to see "how" the two prophets would be similar. Pro hasn't, I will:

(1) The context stated that the prophet would come from among them, Israel (Deu 18:15), that rules out Mohammed.

(2) It also states God was giving them such a prophet in accordance to what they asked for, namely, a mediator. (Deu 18:15-16; 5:23-28) Both Muhammed and Jesus were mediators.

(3) He must speak in Yahweh's name. (Deu 18:19) Jesus did speak in the name of Yahweh, the name of God found over 6,000 times in the OT. Islam has no place for the name Yahweh. Nearly every sura of the Qur'an starts with "In the name of Allah." Muhammad spoke in the name of Allah, but not in the name of Yahweh. Jesus' God-given Hebrew name, Yehoshua (Arabic, Yasu'u) in Matthew 1:21 literally means Yahweh saving. Islam does not call Jesus Yasu'u (Arabic transliteration of Yehoshua) as Arabic speaking Christians do, but they call him ‘Isa, which bears no trace of Yahweh. Islam has hidden every trace of Yahweh in their revered books.

(4) Finally, the prophet must not speak what God did not command. (Deu 18:20) Jesus spoke only what God told him to speak. Jesus never spoke a word presumptuously or in the name of other gods. Muhammad however is credited with speaking a word presumptuously that God did not command him to speak. It is well known among Muslim scholars that he spoke the words of Satan, exalting pagan idols Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat. Then he prostrated himself in the Mosque, among a joyful group of idol worshipers, confirming the satanic words that he brought forth. Sura 53:19-20 contain two phrases Muhammad spoke that are credited to Allah: "Have you considered Al-Lat and Al-Uzza and Manat, the other third?" As Muhammad meditated on this, Satan put upon his tongue and he proclaimed: "these are the exalted Gharaniq whose intercession is approved." Muhammad could not distinguish between the voice of Allah and the voice of Satan. Some time later Jibril came to Muhammad and told him that he spoke what Allah did not say to him. In the end, Allah annulled what Satan had given Muhammad, then established in its place Sura 53:21, 22 and 23 that are in the Qur'an today. For this reason the so-called "satanic verses" that Muhammad declared on behalf of other gods are not in the Qur'an but can be found in Ibn Ishaq's Sira, The Life of Muhammad, a book Muslims revere. Muhammad's speaking error puts him in contradiction with the speech of the prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18. Jesus meets all 4 requirements to be a prophet like Moses, Muhammad only meets one.
Debate Round No. 3


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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by daley 7 years ago
thanks. if u want to get those 3 debates just start a debate n if the topic is up my alley i'll be sure to take the challenge. thanks again.
Posted by Doulos1202 7 years ago
A bit sad the Pro refused to put any effort in this debate. Unfortunately I do not have the required 3 debates to post a vote however my points to Con hands down.
Posted by daley 7 years ago
only 35 mins left, this is a close one; i hope he doesn't forfeit
Posted by daley 7 years ago
he only has 11 hrs left to reply. i hope he won't forfeit
Posted by daley 7 years ago
there is actually some very strong arguments for it, but they just aren't good enough in my opinion.
Posted by aircraftmechgirl 7 years ago
Is there such a thing?
Posted by daley 7 years ago
well, we'll have to see where he takes it. i hope he makes a good argument for islam
Posted by aircraftmechgirl 7 years ago
True, stubs. (Also, I was going to send you a message re: your loss of salvation debate...Eph 1:13 is a fantastic verse for your argument. :))

As for this one...I really hope Con puts up a good argument. It makes me sad when people debate topics that are slam dunks and do it so poorly that I end up having to vote for the opposite side.
Posted by stubs 7 years ago
It's fairly easy to prove Islam is not the "religion of God" Con should win this
Posted by aircraftmechgirl 7 years ago
If you clean up your resolution, I'll take this.
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