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Islam(pro) vs Judaism(con)

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Started: 8/9/2014 Category: Religion
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karemelsayed7

Pro

i look look forward to a good debate round 1 is just an acceptance or buffer round
there will be 3 arguments for 3 rounds 1 per round
2 Women in the religions
3. Jesus in the religions
4. Is Muhammad True?
theaugustburns

Con

I accept the challenge, and look forward to an interesting debate.
Debate Round No. 1
karemelsayed7

Pro

this round is about Women in the religions
In Islam the view of women is widely misinterpreted as religious rules on women but this is not the case the treatment of women has nothing to do with Islam it is all south east asian radical culture practices this in fact is condemned in islam and to be honest Women have more rights and are treated better in Judaism everyday jewish men in their morning prayer say "blessed be god lord of universe that thou had not made me a women" Eve is viewed so badly in the religion because of her sin menstruation and birth is considered a burden from god jewish rabbis said "when a boy comes all are joyful but when a girl comes all are sorrowful and in judaism women are not allowed to study the torah source talmud jewish rabbis have said let the words of the torah be burned then studied by a women the talmud says if a women passes by 2 men while on menses she will cause strife between them (bPes. 111a.) no wonder why jewish women consider menstrtion as the curse. in judaism women that own assests or property once married lose it all to their husbands but in islam women are allowed to own property this has caused the richest women to be now penniless in judaism this is what the talmud says "How can a woman have anything; whatever is hers belongs to her husband? What is his is his and what is hers is also his... Her earnings, and what she may find in the streets, are also his. The household articles, even the crumbs of bread on the table, are his. Should she invite a guest to her house and feed him, she would be stealing from her husband..."
(San. 71a, Git. 62a)

Finally, let us shed some light on what is considered in the West as the greatest symbol of women"s oppression and servitude, the veil or the head cover. Is it true that there is no such thing as the veil in the Judaeo tradition? Let us set the record straight. According to Rabbi Dr. Menachem M. Brayer (Professor of Biblical Literature at Yeshiva University) in his book, "The Jewish woman in Rabbinic literature," it was the custom of Jewish women to go out in public with a head covering which, sometimes, even covered the whole face leaving one eye free.

He quotes some famous ancient Rabbis saying, "It is not like the daughters of Israel to walk out with heads uncovered" and "Cursed be the man who lets the hair of his wife be seen (...) a woman who exposes her hair for self-adornment brings poverty." Rabbinic law forbids the recitation of blessings or prayers in the presence of a bareheaded married woman since uncovering the woman"s hair is considered "nudity".2

Jewish women in Europe continued to wear veils until the nineteenth century when their lives became more intermingled with the surrounding secular culture. The external pressures of the European life in the nineteenth century forced many of them to go out bare-headed. Some Jewish women found it more convenient to replace their traditional veil with a wig as another form of hair covering. Today, most pious Jewish women do not cover their hair except in the synagogue.5

Some of them, such as the Hasidic sects, still use the wig.6

Some Christian denominations, such as the Amish and the Mennonites for example, keep their women veiled to the present day. The reason for the veil, as offered by their Church leaders, is that "The head covering is a symbol of woman"s subjection to the man and to God", which is the same logic introduced by St. Paul in the New Testament.8

From all the above evidence, it is obvious that Islam did not invent the head cover. However, Islam did endorse it. The Qur"an urges the believing men and women to lower their gaze and guard their modesty and then urges the believing women to extend their head covers to cover the neck and the bosom:

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty (......)And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms...." (24:30,31)

The Qur"an is quite clear that the veil is essential for modesty, but why is modesty important? The Qur"an is still clear:

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their bodies (when they go out) so that they should be known and not molested."(33:59)

This is the whole point, modesty is prescribed to protect women from molestation or simply, modesty is protection. Thus, the only purpose of the veil in Islam is protection. The Islamic veil, unlike the veil of the Christian tradition, is not a sign of man"s authority over woman nor is it a sign of woman"s subjection to man. The Islamic veil, unlike the veil in the Jewish tradition, is not a sign of luxury and distinction of some noble married women. The Islamic veil is only a sign of modesty with the purpose of protecting women, all women. The Islamic philosophy is that it is always better to be safe than sorry. In fact, the Qur"an is so concerned with protecting women"s bodies and women"s reputation that a man who dares to falsely accuse a woman of unchastity will be severely punished:

and as we see here islam treats women muchh better then in the Judaism and you may think how? what you see is cultural practices not religious that are bad in islam bud sadly in judaism women are seen as a curse and mensus is a punishment and women arent as high as men and they cannot own property
i say i won this round and the next one looks to be even better
theaugustburns

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
karemelsayed7

Pro

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theaugustburns

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
karemelsayed7

Pro

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theaugustburns

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by ayalmawla 3 years ago
ayalmawla
Looking forward for this debate...just wanted to say that MOHAMMED is TRUE and if u want any evidence just tell me and i will provide you with sufficient information.
Posted by irish44 3 years ago
irish44
I think this will be a very interesting debate, I'm Catholic so no bias but i'm currently for Judaism.
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