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Started: 8/6/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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PlayGod

Con

First of all, Muslims are taught to LIE TO INFIDELS in Koran 9:1 & 3:28. Obviously infidels can NOT believe anything that Muslims say to them.
Secondly, Muslims are taught to never befriend any infidels in Koran 5:51, not even infidel parents and other relatives--see Koran 9:23. Though Muslims are taught to behave kindly to other Muslims, they are taught to behave harshly towards infidels in Koran 48:29 since infidels are the worst of created beings according to Koran 98:6.
What makes Muslim society particularly dangerous is that they are PERPETUALLY in a state of UNDECLARED war with infidels--see Koran 9:5 & 4:89. Jihad with the infidels only ceases when "all religion is Allah" as unequivocally stated in Koran 2:191-193. Though most infidel men are slated for slaughter, "People Of The Book", Jews and Christians, are allowed to practice their own religion as long as they pay an EXTREMELY ONEROUS "jizya" tax. This tax is so BURDENSOME that most Jews and Christians in Muslim Egypt were forced to convert to Islam or go bankrupt. When the Ottoman Empire conquered Turkey and the Balkans, Christians there were also financially coerced into converting to Islam.
But that's not the worst of it. Since Muslim men are permitted 4 wives, Muslim society is inherently UNSTABLE. Why? Consider this. Say the 25% of the richest, healthiest, smartest Muslim ["Alpha"] males take the 4 permissible Muslim wives that they are entitled to. How many Muslim women does that leave for the bottom 75% of Muslim males? NONE! Admittedly not all of the alpha males will take as many as 4 wives, but you're still left with more than half of the males in a Muslim society with NO HOPE OF FINDING A WIFE! What happens to all of these testosterone-packing horn dogs running around without a hope in hell? Well, Muhammad has THE ANSWER. Declare HOLY JIHAD on your infidel neighbors, kill 'em, and take their wives, daughters, and sisters as your Sex Slaves (see Koran 4:3). Sexual slavery is not only perfectly acceptable behavior, but, given the shortage of Muslim females in a Muslim society, it's practically MANdatory! Of course this is hard on the neighboring infidels, BUT as Koran 48:29 puts it:

Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are
hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves.

For horny Muslim men the worst case scenario is that they get killed in HOLY JIHAD, BUT EVEN SO they STILL get laid! In theory the eternal reward for a Muslim martyred in HOLY JIHAD is beautiful, voluptuous virgins (see Koran 78:31-33, 37:42-49, 44:54, 55:56, and
56:35-38). But how about FEMALE SUICIDE BOMBERS? Though Muhammad was quite explicit about the rewards for testosterone-driven male Muslims, he makes no mention of the rewards for female martyrs. Odd isn't it? Do they get 72 voluptuous, virgin lesbians? Or maybe 72 male virgins hung like stallions? It's almost as if Muhammad/Allah has no inkling of how desperate Muslim fighters will become in the future. Almost as if Muhammad isn't being inspired by Allah's Omniscient Knowledge, but only inspired by Muhammad's puny human knowledge. That would explain why the "perfect" Koran would say things like the sun sets "in a muddy oasis" (Koran 18:16), or why the testing of an under-age, divorced wife who hasn't started menstruating is compulsory to see if she is pregnant (see Koran 65:4). Is that just plain STUPID or what? Or, worst of all, saying that a human fetus consists of male discharge (sperm) and "BLOOD?! In Koran 23:14 no mention is made of the mother's "genetic" contribution. Why not? After all today we know that a woman contributes slightly MORE THAN HALF of a baby's physical [genetic] inheritance. Of course before the invention of the microscope, humans hadn't a clue about the existence of the female egg cell, the female gamete which is the counterpart of the male gamete (sperm). In Muhammad's time most people believed hat it was only the male discharge of sperm that created babies. The mother was commonly considered to be a sex toy and a human incubator. But of course ALLAH would KNOW BETTER, right? So how did such STUPID mistakes make it into the "perfect" Koran? Muhammad, though possibly a good poet, was less than Omniscient. And since the Koran contains such obvious mistakes, it is far from "perfect". That's why the Koran has to include the Big Fudge Factor:

O you who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain
to you, may cause you trouble. But if you ask when the Koran is being
revealed, they will be made plain to you*, Allah will forgive those, for Allah is
Oft-forgiving, Most-forbearing. Some people before you did ask such questions
and on that account lost their faith.** (Koran 5:101-102)

As with all organized religions, FAITH requires unquestioning ignorance. AMEN!**
Although Koran 2:256 forbids coercion in religious affiliation, in practice the threat of being killed or being bankrupted is the traditional method of Muslim proselytism. If this inconsistency seems paradoxical, you must remember that INCONSISTENCY is endemic in the Koran. The Koran is flawless, perfect, and eternal according to Koran 6:115 & 39:28 but Muhammad was constantly changing this "eternal" book which he excused in Koran 2:106. Muhammad was altering the perfect and flawless Koran even on his deathbed. Another good example is FREE WILL in Koran 13:11 & 81:28 versus PREDESTINATION in Koran 81:29 & 13:31-33 versus UNQUESTIONING OBEDIENCE in Koran 21:23 & 5:101-102. Muhammad was the FIRST Muslim in Koran 6:14 & 6:163 versus Moses in Koran 7:143 versus the Pharaoh's magicians in Koran 26:51 versus Abraham in 2:127-128. Muhammad was the FIRST "warner" sent to the Arabs in Koran 32:3 versus Koran 35:24 that says "there never was a people without a warner having lived among them (in the past)" & Koran 7:65, 26:142-143 about the warners Hud and Salih in southern Arabia & the prophet/warner Ishmael in Koran 19:54. Women are created from the "same soul" as men are in Koran 4:1, BUT are inferior in Koran 2:228 and have fewer rights in Koran 4:11 & 2:282 and are basically Sex Slaves in Koran 2:223 & 4:3 who can be beaten in Koran 4:34 & 24:2 and imprisoned in Koran 4:15 for "lewdness" where female testimony is inadmissible. Worst of all, PEDOPHILIA is institutionalized not only in Koran 65:4, but also by Muhammad's exemplary example when he "married" his wife Aisha when she was 6 years of age and consummated this "marriage" when she had attained the ripe old age of NINE?! What a guy!! The only theme in the Koran which is more recurrent than Muhammad's hatred for infidels (see Koran 98:6, 3:56, 3:85, 3:178, 5:33, 2:98 & 2:257) is Muhammad's high opinion of, wait for it, MUHAMMAD himself (see Koran 33:21, 3:32, 3:132, 4:13, 4:459, 4:69, 5:92, 8:1, 8:29, 8:46, 9:71, 24:47, 24:51, 24:52, 24:56, 33:33, 47:33, 49:14, 58;13, & 64:12).
Finally some people may say that jihad" doesn't refer to military "struggle" but to spiritual "struggle". Not so. In Koran 49:15, 9:44, 2:216, 9:19-20, & 4:95 Muhammad makes it clear that he is referring to a person risking his [physical] person and his [material] goods in this jihadist struggle. He's NOT talking about yoga and zen meditation****.
So if you want to concentrate on such tolerant but atypical and very,very rare verses such as Koran 5:32, 2:256, 2:62, & 4:36, then go right ahead. Hey, this is America, NOT Saudi Arabia! Think whatever you want.
Go ahead, DRINK THE KOO-AID!!!!!

* Actually someone did ask Muhammad a related question about human "genetics".
Abdullah bin Salam asked Muhammad why a child sometimes resembled the father
and sometimes resembled the maternal UNCLE [remember that Arabs thought the
mother made NO physical "genetic" contribution to a baby's physical body or
appearance]? Muhammad told him that if the father "discharged" first the child
would resemble the father. But if the mother "came" first, then the child would
resemble the mother. Muhammad's theory has no basis in biological fact, and is
another good example of how limited Muhammad's perspective was; Muhammad
was NOT being inspired by an Omniscient Allah.

** Note that the ORIGINAL monotheistic Middle Eastern God was the Egyptian god
"AMEN". "Amen" means "HIDDEN" as in "hidden" within all things including within
all gods". Because one of The Seven Wonders Of The Ancient World, the GREAT
LIBRARY [at Alexandria, Egypt] contained documentation on the origin of
monotheism as well as documentation on more than a dozen Middle Eastern gods
born of a virgin on December 25th [the pagan Holy Day of the Winter Solstice] early
Christians decided to eliminate the evidence of Jesus' plagiarized birth along with the
origin of Moses' monotheistic god, AMEN! Christians burned the GREAT LIBRARY in
391 A.D. When the Muslims captured Alexandria in 642 A.D., they burned the
remnants of the GREAT LIRARY. Allegedly the Muslim general who destroyed the last
of the remaining scrolls said:

If the scrolls confirm what the Koran says, then they are unnecessary. And
if they disagree with the Koran, then they must be destroyed. Burn them all.

*** Note that apparently the "Hidden" god Amen has "hidden" himself in
plain sight within Jewish, Christian, and Muslim prayers--AMEN!!! Finally a god
with a sense of humor!!!!!

**** Note that Muslims hate Buddhist infidels most of all because Buddhists don't
believe in ANY god, but instead believe in "enlightenment", the realization of the
"HERE & NOW" without ANY expectations [to a Buddhist "EXPECTATIONS are the
root of all evil"].
SwedishPopPrincess

Pro

Islam is the origin of peace. We are not allowed to kill these so called infidels and even if our parents are non Muslims we are not allowed to shun them or good luck in hellfire. Who marries four ladies nowadays? Seriously? Women In Islam are highly respected. I don't where you fetch your Intel from but the ladies are given plenty of rights in Islam. Even more so since you western females couldn't get in my country till 1918 after WW1. We are not sex slaves and we are not allowed to be hurt. Our testimonials are the same as men, except for Financial cases, as for most of history, we were not knowledgeable. Suicide bombers are committing suicide and destroying lives and properties. That is a major sin and sure there are some surahs that encourage jihad, they are just a few ayahs in thousands of ayahs in the Quran. I've read the bible and Torah and I've seen degrading, misogynistic things and stories of rape, incest, drunkenness, war, you get the idea. I could read any holy book I can possibly get and find those kind of stuff there. I.could easily pick out quotes and label it the whole religion. But I won't because I know it isn't. You read lots of horrible material that tries to demean Islam, like the movie Fitna and look how that ended! Ask others what they think! Also am I correct in assuming you are American?
Debate Round No. 1
PlayGod

Con

PlayGod forfeited this round.
SwedishPopPrincess

Pro

You do not launch Jihad for a lack of brides, it isn't mandatory and unless you live in places like India and China where girls are murdered for being girls and with all the war carnage today, there are way more woman then men. In the states, the ladies outnumber the men by nearly 10 million! In New York City alone, women outnumber men by around 1-2 million and 1/3 of men are gay! No need for frantic bride searching. Guess you saw the error of your ways.
Debate Round No. 2
PlayGod

Con

PlayGod forfeited this round.
SwedishPopPrincess

Pro

SwedishPopPrincess forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by SwedishPopPrincess 2 years ago
SwedishPopPrincess
Hurry up and post something quick or you forfeit the round. And stop spewing out hate. I have had 2 previous encounters with islamophobes, one was quite recent, another long ago and property's read up on the quran. Perhaps you should take a break from the media.
Posted by gnoll 2 years ago
gnoll
A bunch of text and out of context references to the Quran, yet no leading point for debate? What is the thing that people are supposed to agree or disagree with? I assume the author's point is something to the point of "The Islamic religion is a negative influence", which could very well be true, but it hasn't been explicitly stated as the topic. If the point is "The Quran says these things", I'd encourage people to read the verses he quoted in context - some of them look right (4 wives), but others appear to be obviously wrong.
Posted by POPOO5560 2 years ago
POPOO5560
nop
Posted by beavis884 2 years ago
beavis884
Does this guy have a job?
Posted by kbub 2 years ago
kbub
Sounds like hate speech.
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