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Topaet
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Conor2210
Con (against)

Islamic culture and Islam are immoral

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Started: 3/11/2017 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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Topaet

Pro

Rules:
1. Offer evidence for your arguments and counter-arguments.
2. Please refrain from using ad hominem arguments and/or logical fallacies
3. First turn is for opening arguments, second for rebuttals, and third for closing statements. The third round is to be used for rebuttals and conclusions only; no new arguments.
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1. Islam is against religious freedom:
[1]: According to the hadiths, apostates are to be punished by death: Sahih al-Bukhari 56:226, [2] Sunan Ibn Majah 20:2632, [3] Sahih al-Bukhari 88:5.
[4]: 40% of Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy.
[5] According to the Qur'an, apostates will be greatly punished: Quran 9:66, [6] Quran 16: 106, [7] Quran 4:89.

2. Islamic culture supports Islamic terror:
[8] 28% of the Muslim world population have confessed that suicide bombings are occasionally, sometimes, or often justified.
[9] 25% of British Muslims have affirmed that the 7/7 attacks were justified.
[10] 67% of British Muslims would not tip-off the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with terrorist sympathizers.
[11] 42% of Turkish Muslims believe that Muslims were the true victims of the Charlie Hebdo attack, and 20% remarked that the Charlie Hebdo employees had deserved death for depicting Muhammad.

3. Islamic culture is sexist and a great majority of Muslims are sexist:
[12] 86% of Muslims believe that women must always obey their husbands.
[13] 27% of Muslims have said that women should not be allowed to decide whether they want to wear the veil or not.
[14] Islamic countries have the worst women's rights on earth (Yemen is ranked 144 of 144, Pakistan 143, Syria 142, Saudi Arabia 141, Iran 139, Egypt 132, Turkey 130, United Arab Emirates 124).

4. Islam is homophobic and a large majority of Muslims are homophobic:
[15] According to the Qur'an, homosexuality is to be punished by death: Quran 7:80-84 and [16] 6:165-66.
[17] The only countries where there is still the death penalty for homosexuality are Islamic countries.
[18] According to Sharia, homosexuality is to be punished by death.
[19] According to the hadiths, homosexuality is to be punished by death: Abu Dawud 40:112, [20] Sunan Ibn Majah 20:2658.
[21] 89% of Muslims believe that homosexuality is immoral.

Sources:
[1]: https://sunnah.com...
[2]: https://sunnah.com...
[3]: https://sunnah.com...
[4]: http://www.pewforum.org...
[5]: https://quran.com...
[6]: https://quran.com...
[7]: https://quran.com...
[8]: http://www.pewforum.org...
[9]: http://www.cbsnews.com...
[10]: http://www.thetimes.co.uk...
[11]: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk...
[12]: http://www.pewforum.org...
[13]: http://www.pewforum.org...
[14]: http://reports.weforum.org...
[15]: https://quran.com...
[16]: https://quran.com...
[17]: http://old.ilga.org...
[18]: https://en.wikipedia.org...
[19]: https://sunnah.com...
[20]: https://sunnah.com...
[21]: http://www.pewforum.org...
Conor2210

Con

I myself have read the Quran, and in no circumstances does it admit to killing of other people. What you see on the news about theses so called 'Muslims' fighting for Allah are only using their religion to justify there actions and wrong doings. They have taken the Quran out of context. And if you have muslim friends, which I can infer you do not then you will know that they are one of the most peaceful religion, however there is a small minority that is ruining there reputation. No religion agrees to killing, and from what I can see you think Diesh is a representative of all muslims. You can throw facts around all you want but what you do not realise most of these facts are rigged to the favour of the governments to make the public agree to there actions in the middle east and sending in military force.
Debate Round No. 1
Topaet

Pro

"I myself have read the Quran, and in no circumstances does it admit to the killing of other people."
I have already written the verses and cited links to these verses in my sources.

This version is the most used English translation of the Qur'an and has a seal of authenticity from the university of Median (the 2nd most important city in Islam).

Quran 7:80-84: And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people." But the answer of his people was only that they said, "Evict them from your city! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure." So We saved him and his family, except for his wife; she was of those who remained [with the evildoers]. And We rained upon them a rain [of stones]. Then see how was the end of the criminals.

Sahih al-Bukhari (the first hadith book) is considered to be the most authentic book after the Qur'an and is accepted by Sunni Muslims (90% of Muslims are Sunni's).

Sahih al-Bukhari 56:226 `Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn `Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet (A018;) said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet (A018;) said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

"They have taken the Quran out of context."
No they have not, the statistics that I have provided prove that Muslims do act on these "holy commands". I would also appreciate it, if you could provide evidence for your claims (see rule 1).

"however there is a small minority hat is ruining there reputation"
The statistics that I have provided prove that it is (in the case of homophobia and sexism) not just a small minority, but a big majority and in the case of Islamic terror and intolerance towards other faiths a big minority.

"No religion agrees to killing"
All abrahimic religions support killings and God commands his prophets to kill people in all of their holy books.

"You can throw facts around all you want but what you do not realise most of these facts are rigged to the favour of the governments to make the public agree to there actions in the middle east and sending in military force."
The Pew Research Center (from which I got most of my statistics) is a nonpartisan, nonprofit, independent fact tank that informs the public about the issues, attitudes and trends shaping America and the world. It conducts public opinion polling.

I would appreciate it, if you could provide evidence for further claims and thank you for accepting the debate!
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Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
the only evil of islam is the people with free choice not opposing it, as the only ones that do have a free choice
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
religion is unnecessary*
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
nope, christians are free to convert.. to muslims islam is like food, eating food dosnt make you religious

religious is unnecessary
Posted by Topaet 1 year ago
Topaet
I explained the fact that Muslims are not allowed to leave their faith in my first point. Islam does fit the definition of a religion though since religion is based on a lack of free choice (childhood indoctrination)

Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
islam is not a religion, because muslims are forced to remain muslim
Posted by Topaet 1 year ago
Topaet
I didn't send the wikipedia as evidence for something, I just sent it so that you can familiarize yourself with Kantian ethics (which according to Harvard university works quite well: http://isites.harvard.edu...).
Posted by Conor2210 1 year ago
Conor2210
wikipedia are you serious, even a bling person can tell that most of the informations on that is FAKE!
Posted by Topaet 1 year ago
Topaet
I'm evaluating this with the Kantian ethics. https://en.wikipedia.org...
Posted by veni_vidi_vici 1 year ago
veni_vidi_vici
Because you are saying that a religion is immoral, you are evaluating that religion by some other set of morals (Religious, personal, political, etc.?) I'm just asking for clarification no offense was intended.
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