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musa441
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Israel is not a Jewish State it is a Khazar state (Khazars- Anti semitic Jews)

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/5/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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musa441

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A Genetic study of so called Ashkenazi Jews who claim to be semitic jews has proved that the origins of Ashkenazi jews don't belong to the Holy state of Israel but they belong to the Khazar Kingdom of the 7th century situated north of the caucasus mountains. Khazars are from the bloodline of Japheth the third son of Noah where as they are no where near to the bloodline of Prophet Abraham (pbuh). The semitic jews know this thats why most of them oppose the current occupation of Israel by these fake Khazar Jews. Genetics of Palestinians have shown that they have majority of their people originating from Semitic bloodline. Arthur Koestler a jews wrote a book on Khazars in 1971. Its a must read. According to the Quran and the hadiths all the fingers are pointing towards Khazars being the Gog and Magog people who control the world of today and those who follows their system and their lifestyle are becoming the part of Gog and Magog society which is destined for hell. This is my Argument!!
distraff

Con

My opponent failed to site his sources on these claims. They come from a single study from Eran Elhaik who is at odds with the rest of the scientific community. He finds that 38% of Ashkenazi Jew genes are from the Khazar Kingdom (1). They make up 47% of Israel's Jewish population. So even according to his own source only a fraction of them is Khazar.

However his theory is flawed in many ways. The problem is that there are no known Khazars today so the Jew's DNA was compared to Armenians, Georgians, and Caucasians. Some people think that these people might have some Khazar DNA in them but there is no evidence (1). These people also have middle eastern genes which not surprisingly is in the same family as the Jewish lineage.

There are also contesting research such has this research by a large group of scientists driven by Dr. Sands showing that there is no evidence of a Khazar connection (3).

This Khazar research completely ignores previous research showing a Middle Eastern connection. Molecular research has found that Jews are genetically homogeneous. Research has found that geographically distant Jews are more similar to each other than to any of the non-Jews they are living around. They do have a shared middle eastern genetic ancestry. Other scientists have called Elhaik's theory an outlier minority view that is not supported scientifically with weak arguments (4).

A paper published in 2000 shows that Jews around the world share Y-DNA haplotypes that are found among many Arabs in Syria, Palestine, and Lebanon. Only a small percent of their Y-DNA come from outside the middle east. All Jews can be connected on the order of fourth to fifth cousins (5).

Peer review of Elhaik's work has found it sloppy and politically motivated and has gained no real acceptance in the scientific community. While Palestinians do share similarities with Jewish genes this is because they are genetic cousins and does not mean that they are Jews too (5).

1: http://www.jewishpress.com...
2: http://en.wikipedia.org...
3: http://digitalcommons.wayne.edu...
4: http://forward.com...
5: http://www.forbes.com...
Debate Round No. 1
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by musa441 2 years ago
musa441
http://truthtellers.org... Read this!! I know there are other theories as well which are conducted to show that Ashkenazis are not khazars but they are all flawed and doesn't make any sense!! Arthur Koestler A jew wrote a book on khazars history and how they illegally became jews. The jewish Holocast was an inside job by Rothschilds and itler combined to reduce the population of the real semitic jews so that they Khazar jews can dominate their population and control Israel. No wonder so many sephardic jews today oppose Israel!!! A jewish Genticist in Tel Aviv (Eran Israeli-Elhaik) has proved through his study of genetics of Ashkenazis that they are from khazar region rather than Israeli. Learn history and study genetics you will be convinced with this as well. If you are one of the Khazars then its obvious you will deny all these researches even without reading it!!
Posted by mendel 2 years ago
mendel
The only reason why i wouldn't accept this debate is because it's beneath my dignity to waste my time debating with someone so ignorant. First of all your opening statement is simply nonsense that most semetic jews are opposed to the "occupation" of israel (and for all those who don't speak arabic by occupation he means the state of israel), There are 14,000,000 jews in the world today and the amount of jews opposed to israel numbers in the thousands. In fact it's especially ridiculous because a little more than 50% of israel today is sfaradic jews, so according to you most of israel is opposed to israel.

Secondly and mainly there is absolutely no historical evidince to back up this claim that ashkinazik jews are kazarites, although the jews wrote hundreds of books in the dark ages so the thing is without bases. Now you claim that genetic evidence proves it, all one has to do is google about jewish genes and many studies have been made and they've proved just the opposite that jews in poland have closer genes to yemenite jews than to their next door neighbors, its very unfortunate that this is what the arab world is to taught from a young (together with allot of other propaganda) age ensuring that their can never be peace with the state of israel.
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Reasons for voting decision: "Arthur Koestler a jews", enough said about S&G. Only CON used sources, therefore those points are awarded to him. Con made a reasoned argument, while PRO seemed to have an agenda, there go argument points. Conduct points for PRO's repeated forfeit.