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Jblenderman
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xxx200
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Israeli Involvement in 9/11

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Jblenderman
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/10/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Jblenderman

Pro

I will begin by making a few points to open the discussion and await rebuttal.

1) inside trading by Jewish owned firms on wall street days before 9-11

2) 5 dancing Israeli Mossad agents caught on Route 3 in NJ looking at the explosions (cheering) detained by FBI.

3) Netanyahu's immediate response to the attacks that it "it was good for Israel"

4) Amdocs Israeli owned firm. This is a data collection agency that has been wire tapping us phone calls for espionage. Wonder why all of the radios went down during the attacks?

5) Prior to 9/11, the FBI had discovered the presence of a massive spy ring inside the United States run by the government of Israel. This seems a harsh gratitude from a nation which obtains 10% of its annual budget from the American taxpayer, $3 billion a year. Over the years, American taxpayers have been required to send Israel more than four times what the US spent to go to the moon.

6) Why out of no where did the US announce 19 arbitrary perpetrators of 9/11 two weeks later? Especially with all the debris and explosions? How did they find passports but no remains?

There's much more but I will start with this.
xxx200

Con

1] insider trading in jewish owned firms on wall street is a very common thing in any firm on wall street. it has no relation with 9/11 attack.

2] it may be a coincidence.

3] Netanyahu does not mean that blasting america is good for israel. he means that after the blast america will take revenge against arabs who are the worst enemy of israel. thats why he said so.

4] in case of amdocs there is need for further investigation.

5] it may be a coincidence again.

6] let the us govt. explain the matter.

look all these points may be coincidence unless proved contrarary. there is a strong need of more probing in 9/11 case. especially obama should do this investigation.
Debate Round No. 1
Jblenderman

Pro

1) My opponent claims that Jewish insider trading is a normalcy and happens on a regular basis. This is true, but not in the amount of money we are discussing at this junction. Just before 9/11 there was an "extraordinary" amount of put options placed on United Airlines and American Airlines stocks. Authorities believed, and some continue to maintain, that trading insiders may have known in advance of the coming events of 9/11 and placed their bets accordingly. An analysis into the possibility of insider trading on 9/11 concludes that:
A measure of abnormal long put volume was also examined and seen to be at abnormally high levels in the days leading up to the attacks. Consequently, the paper concludes that there is evidence of unusual option market activity in the days leading up to September 11 that is consistent with investors trading on advance knowledge of the attacks.—Allen M. Poteshman, The Journal of Business
On the days leading up to 9/11, two airlines saw a rise in their put to call ratio. These two airlines were United Airlines and American Airlines, the two airlines whose planes were hijacked on 9/11. Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 "put" option contracts in UAL versus 396 call options. On September 10, more trading in Chicago saw the purchase of 4,516 put options in American Airlines, the other airline involved in the hijackings. This compares with a mere 748 call options in American purchased that day. No other airline companies saw anomalies in their put to call ratio in the days leading up to the attacks. American Airlines however, had just released a major warning about possible losses.
Insurance companies saw anomalous trading activities as well. Citigroup Inc., which has estimated that its Travelers Insurance unit may pay $500 million in claims from the World Trade Center attack, had about 45 times the normal volume during three trading days before the attack for options that profit if the stock falls below $40. Citigroup shares fell $1.25 in late trading to $38.09. Morgan Stanley, which occupied 22 floors at the World Trade Center, experienced bigger-than-normal pre-attack trading of options that profit when stock prices fall. Other companies that were directly affected by the tragedy had similar jumps.

Raytheon, a defense contractor, had an anomalously high number of call options trading on September 10. A Raytheon option that makes money if shares are more than $25 each had 232 options contracts traded on the day before the attacks, almost six times the total number of trades that had occurred before that day.
The initial options were bought through at least two brokerage firms, including NFS, a subsidiary of Fidelity Investments, and TD Waterhouse. It was estimated that the trader or traders would have realized a five million dollar profit. The Securities and Exchange Commission launched an insider trading investigation in which Osama Bin Laden was a suspect after receiving information from at least one Wall Street Firm.

2) How can you possibly argue that Mossad agents, (spies) of Israel dancing and cheering at the towers crumbled a coincidence? They were also found to have over 4200 US dollars in cash, and maps of NYC (blue prints) in their van. It is literally impossible for the equivalent of American CIA operatives (Israeli Mossad agents) to be doing this at this exact time and date and it being coincidental.

3) That's exactly my point. This attack is good for Israel because Americans will be in the Middle East fighting "terror with us". What is the US doing now? Bombing Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq etc. The average leader would express condolences, but his immediate response is it would be very good for Israel?

4) Your answer to my argument is that it requires further investigation. Because you have the burden of discrediting my points, you have by default conceded my argument in number 4. I will however follow up and say that I urge you to review this youtube video of the foxnews report on Amdocs and espionage in the United States.

5) How is the FBI finding a massive spy ring of Israeli nationals a coincidence?

6) We cannot let any government explain anything. Too much trust in government violates our personal sovereignty. We must question those that govern us. Buy relying on government to "educate and take care of us" we take another step toward tyranny.
xxx200

Con

xxx200 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Jblenderman

Pro

Since my opponent has forfeited this round, I am claiming victory in this debate.
xxx200

Con

1] first of all my opponent has to prove two things:

a] the jewish firm in wall street know beforehand that the respective airlines will be used for attack.

b] insider trading is illegal everywhere. my opponent has to prove that the jewish firm is doing insider trading.

after proving these 2 facts he can say that the jewish firm know about attack beforehand.

2] mosad agents are happy for the same reason natanyahu was happy. america is going to attack arabs now. this do not prove that mosad is involved in this massacre.

3] natanyahu's expression does not show that he is involved in this attack. if today similar attack is caused by pakistan or china in the U.S., india and indians will be very happy. but that does not prove that india is involved in the attack.

4] you say amdocs are tapping your phone calls. how do you know that? what are the evidence you have that lead you to this conclusion? there are many reason why radios went down during the attack.

5] presence of spy ring of a foreign country is a very normal matter. in israel, CIA network was there. in india both CIA and mosad network works. so this is no danger signal.

6] only U.S. govt. can explain why it announce 19 perpetrator? what happened?

see my opponent has no proof supporting his claim. so i win.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by airmax1227 2 years ago
airmax1227
@Jblenderman

Well done, I think you did enough to win this debate based on the FF. You did a decent job in your second round expanding on the first. I'd suggest in the future you be more specific with the resolution, and offer more sources for your major points.

And if you would like to seriously debate this topic, feel free to challenge me to it in the future.
Posted by brian_eggleston 2 years ago
brian_eggleston
Whether the Israelis were behind it or not, it is hard to say, but they certainly benefitted from public opinion moving away from sympathy towards Muslims being oppressed in Israel and Palestine to suspicion and distrust, if not outright hostility, to Muslims in general.

If 9/11 hadn't happened the Israelis wouldn't have got away with half the atrocities they have committed since then.

+1 for this debate and good luck.
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Vote Placed by airmax1227 2 years ago
airmax1227
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Reasons for voting decision: This should have been a slam dunk win for the con. In a debate that should be resource heavy by necessity, Pro offered none. Pro's arguments are all isolated, unsubstantiated, and conspiratorial. The resolution is nonexistent. "Israeli involvement" is vague, and gives any decent Con the ability to negate the resolution with limited effort. Even though I don't believe Pro carried his BOP, Con didn't properly negate the 'resolution' either. No arg points awarded. Conduct for FF.