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unrealmonkeyz
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Maya9
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51 Points

Israeli bombs Gaza

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/6/2009 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 3,002 times Debate No: 6423
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unrealmonkeyz

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My argument on this is that if Gaza was not brutally bombing Israel for 2 years, then Israel would never have bombed Gaza in the first place. The bible clearly states that any country that fights Israel will be destroyed by them. Further more, why is our media siding with Gaza when the united States is fighting for Israel.
Maya9

Con

Are you serious? Do you even know what a debate is?

You fail to give even one piece of credible evidence supporting your argument. The Bible is not credible in this context.
Debate Round No. 1
unrealmonkeyz

Pro

O.k. I admit that I should not quote the bible in this debate, but put the U.S. in Israel's shoes... would you sit down and do nothing after being bombed non-stop for to years. any reasonable person would say no. It is only common sense to fight back. All I am saying is that the media should not criticize Israel for fighting back. Just because innocent people die. I have talked to a war veteran and he said that in Vietnam innocent people were killed on both sided.
Debate- argue with one another. There is what Debate means
Maya9

Con

This is laughable.

Your speculation as to what the U.S. would do in Israel's place is entirely irrelevant. Furthermore, "common sense" is is not proof of anything. There is NO SUCH THING. It is simply a phrase thrown around by ignorant people, twisted into whatever suits them.

Personally, I actually see the existence of the state of Israel as a far better thing for the entire world (America especially) than having the same area controlled by Muslims. However, you clearly have absolutely no idea what all this fighting is about, so I'm going to give you a brief history lesson: The Jews and Muslims have been fighting each other, in one way or another, over the land known as Israel since the 7th century CE. Before that, the land switched hands several times between such groups as the Romans, Greeks, Babylonians, Assyrians, etc. Before that (beginning at around the 11th century BCE), a series of Israelite states existed. Jews did not have solid political control of that area between the fall of the last ancient Israelite kingdom to Assyrian rule until the establishment of the modern state of Israel in 1948 CE. Now, one of the main reasons that Muslim Palestinians see themselves as having the right to this land (aside from all the usual religious BS), is because the majority of Jews were expelled from the area in the early 2nd century CE after a failed revolt against the Roman Empire. Around 628 CE, Byzantine Emperor Heraclius massacred or expelled a large number of the remaining Jews. Though there still remained a small and drifting population of Jews in the region, it was largely populated by people of other ethnicities and religions. One of the largest of these groups was composed of Muslims. Modern Muslims in the area saw the establishment of the Jewish state of Israel more as a situation of Westerners taking over territory to which they had no right and handing it over to the Jews (for several reasons, including but not limited to religiously-based ones), who had so little relative influence in region in the recent past that they were seen as foreigners themselves.

Needless to say, the situation is not as black and white as you seem to thing.

By the way, the opinions of your war veteran are also irrelevant (especially considering that his role was in the Vietnam war, which was entirely unrelated to the conflict in Israel.)

You also have a very pedestrian idea of debate. You should seriously consider doing some research on formal debate if you don't wish to make yourself look even more foolish here.
Debate Round No. 2
unrealmonkeyz

Pro

All right I will respect your win here but I will not give up when I have done your requested reshearch I will make a come back, but you might what to check your spelling more carefully.
"Needless to say, the situation is not as black and white as you seem to thing."
This is a qute from your debate read it closely... do you see it? I mean you are a college student, do you really need to be making simple grammar mistakes like that?
Maya9

Con

Now you're being childish. A tiny typing error (I know full well how to spell "think") doesn't change the fact that you don't know what you're talking about. It is unfortunate that this experience has not taught you to save the formation of your opinions until you know the facts.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
Maya9, A bit of advise that I have trouble with very often. Don't make personal insults and don't respond to them. They make you look out of control and uneducated. I have learned this. I have no tolerence what so ever for people who attack me personaly. I have to keep remembering that the insulter is the idiot and moron and not the recipient. I struggle constantly with trying to ignore personal insults, but sometimes there are people who just get the best of you and make you lower yourself to their idiotic moronic level. People make personal attacks because they have nothing intelligent to say.
Posted by Maya9 8 years ago
Maya9
The fact that you are voting against me because you don't like me (and not because you find a logical flaw in my arguments) just proves what a child you are.

I give people what they deserve. I call a rose a rose, and an idiot an idiot. Grow up and get over it.
Posted by conservitivesequalsmart 8 years ago
conservitivesequalsmart
jeez i know seriously
Posted by fo-shizzle 8 years ago
fo-shizzle
wow surprise surprise. maya has to be rude and negative for everything. my vote goes pro
Posted by unrealmonkeyz 8 years ago
unrealmonkeyz
Maya9 I never said i didn't do any research I simply stated i could have done more research.
Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
Maya9, Who are you talking to?
Posted by Maya9 8 years ago
Maya9
The word "opinion" implies a personal viewpoint independent of objective facts. The lack of a source does not magically turn a historical fact into an opinion, and the conquering of Israel by these empires IS a historical fact.

I probably should have cited a source, but you saying that my statements were opinions rather than facts simply because I didn't cite is just silly.

Your source is skimpy. It leaves quite a few details unrevealed. While it is true that Jews and Muslims didn't have an official war during that time, their interactions could hardly be called entirely peaceful.

If you want to have a debate (one with a point, because this discussion seems rather pointless) about Israel's history, feel free to challenge me. I'd suggest you find some better sources.

In any case, I'm done here.
Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
OK have a nice day thanks for playing and please do drive through.
Posted by Maya9 8 years ago
Maya9
Sadolite, I'm done talking to you. You're hopeless and you're wasting my time.
Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
2+2 is obviously 4 but sence I don't teach math I think I will debate whether or not it realy does equal 4.
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