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unrealmonkeyz
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Maya9
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51 Points

Israeli bombs Gaza

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Started: 1/6/2009 Category: Politics
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 1,405 times Debate No: 6423
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unrealmonkeyz

Pro

My argument on this is that if Gaza was not brutally bombing Israel for 2 years, then Israel would never have bombed Gaza in the first place. The bible clearly states that any country that fights Israel will be destroyed by them. Further more, why is our media siding with Gaza when the united States is fighting for Israel.
Maya9

Con

Are you serious? Do you even know what a debate is?

You fail to give even one piece of credible evidence supporting your argument. The Bible is not credible in this context.
Debate Round No. 1
unrealmonkeyz

Pro

O.k. I admit that I should not quote the bible in this debate, but put the U.S. in Israel's shoes... would you sit down and do nothing after being bombed non-stop for to years. any reasonable person would say no. It is only common sense to fight back. All I am saying is that the media should not criticize Israel for fighting back. Just because innocent people die. I have talked to a war veteran and he said that in Vietnam innocent people were killed on both sided.
Debate- argue with one another. There is what Debate means
Maya9

Con

This is laughable.

Your speculation as to what the U.S. would do in Israel's place is entirely irrelevant. Furthermore, "common sense" is is not proof of anything. There is NO SUCH THING. It is simply a phrase thrown around by ignorant people, twisted into whatever suits them.

Personally, I actually see the existence of the state of Israel as a far better thing for the entire world (America especially) than having the same area controlled by Muslims. However, you clearly have absolutely no idea what all this fighting is about, so I'm going to give you a brief history lesson: The Jews and Muslims have been fighting each other, in one way or another, over the land known as Israel since the 7th century CE. Before that, the land switched hands several times between such groups as the Romans, Greeks, Babylonians, Assyrians, etc. Before that (beginning at around the 11th century BCE), a series of Israelite states existed. Jews did not have solid political control of that area between the fall of the last ancient Israelite kingdom to Assyrian rule until the establishment of the modern state of Israel in 1948 CE. Now, one of the main reasons that Muslim Palestinians see themselves as having the right to this land (aside from all the usual religious BS), is because the majority of Jews were expelled from the area in the early 2nd century CE after a failed revolt against the Roman Empire. Around 628 CE, Byzantine Emperor Heraclius massacred or expelled a large number of the remaining Jews. Though there still remained a small and drifting population of Jews in the region, it was largely populated by people of other ethnicities and religions. One of the largest of these groups was composed of Muslims. Modern Muslims in the area saw the establishment of the Jewish state of Israel more as a situation of Westerners taking over territory to which they had no right and handing it over to the Jews (for several reasons, including but not limited to religiously-based ones), who had so little relative influence in region in the recent past that they were seen as foreigners themselves.

Needless to say, the situation is not as black and white as you seem to thing.

By the way, the opinions of your war veteran are also irrelevant (especially considering that his role was in the Vietnam war, which was entirely unrelated to the conflict in Israel.)

You also have a very pedestrian idea of debate. You should seriously consider doing some research on formal debate if you don't wish to make yourself look even more foolish here.
Debate Round No. 2
unrealmonkeyz

Pro

All right I will respect your win here but I will not give up when I have done your requested reshearch I will make a come back, but you might what to check your spelling more carefully.
"Needless to say, the situation is not as black and white as you seem to thing."
This is a qute from your debate read it closely... do you see it? I mean you are a college student, do you really need to be making simple grammar mistakes like that?
Maya9

Con

Now you're being childish. A tiny typing error (I know full well how to spell "think") doesn't change the fact that you don't know what you're talking about. It is unfortunate that this experience has not taught you to save the formation of your opinions until you know the facts.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by sadolite 4 years ago
sadolite
You ignore the fact that the Palestinians brought it on themselves and try to make Israel look like the bully. The Palestinians knowingly and willingly voted for a terror group as their leadership and now cry because Israel attempts to protect themselves from the rockets that are purposely aimed at civilians. Israel makes phone calls to the locations where they will strike and give people a chance to leave. But none of this matters. It's "OH the poor Palestinian people and those bullies in Israel"
Posted by randyporter 4 years ago
randyporter
but still people get in the middle of that its not right kids and family's get killed in that that's not right god would not want that to happen i just think its not right at all
Posted by sadolite 4 years ago
sadolite
Ha mas was Dooley elected by the Palestinian people by an overwhelming majority and have everything coming to them that they deserve. I don't feel an ounce of pity for any of them. Ha mas broke the cease fire and Israel is going to finish it once and for all, I hope. All Palestinians are terrorists in my book, They knowingly and willingly elected leadership that made no bone about destroying Israel. I'm glad they are getting what they deserve and I hope they are all kicked out of Gaza and forced into the neighboring countries as refugee's and Israel should take all the land back that they have and will capture. It's called war, people die, welcome to reality.
Posted by randyporter 4 years ago
randyporter
should case thats were you belong so ha so yeah i always back up my friends
Posted by maddoxparadox 4 years ago
maddoxparadox
Conduct: CON ( Pro used R3 as a comment first)
Spelling/grammer: CON (Pro made many more mistakes)
Arguments: CON ( no need to explain)
Sources: TIE ( no sources/ bible does not count)
Posted by Maya9 4 years ago
Maya9
Since Pro used his last round as a comment, I felt entitled to do the same.
Posted by TheSkeptic 4 years ago
TheSkeptic
Points to CON because PRO forfeited. CON, next time don't use one of your Rounds as a comment.
Posted by Maya9 4 years ago
Maya9
Randyporter, what in Lucifer's name are you babbling about? Do you think I'm going to go cower in a corner because I've offended some little Baptist high schoolers? Get real.
Posted by TombLikeBomb 4 years ago
TombLikeBomb
"All right I will respect your win here but I will not give up when I have done your requested reshearch I will make a come back"

No thought to doing the requested research in good faith, and possibly changing your opinions according to your findings?
Posted by randyporter 4 years ago
randyporter
okay you keep diging your self in deeper haha
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