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It is Possible for the Entire World to Live in Peace

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Started: 1/7/2015 Category: People
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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TheTragicLifeofFrank

Pro

I strongly believe that the world can and will eventually become a flawlessly peaceful environment for humans.

The definition of peace on Earth for the sake of this argument must be accepted as every nation on the planet living (not necessarily in complete harmony) among each other without conflict.
Kinryu

Con

The reality is that people will always have different views, different beliefs, which will contradict. These differences will create factions, and these factions are likely to clash.

Different national leaders will have different 'goals' for their country. There will always be countries that want to expand, always be dictators and terrorists that create war between countries. History repeats itself. World peace, unfortunately, is a desk theory, nothing more, nothing less.
Debate Round No. 1
TheTragicLifeofFrank

Pro

War and anger is not created by disagreement, it is created by a selfish lack of acceptance. Two factions might disagree on land, or oil or the contrasting colour of their skin, but it's ultimately the fact that the two factions are not accepting of each other that leads to conflict. The vast majority of people on this planet desire peace, and those that don't are living a misunderstood life. Acceptance can be found through understanding and that should be the final goal of humanity: to understand and accept each other.

You're views are very much defeatist and tuned into the world we are currently live in; a world where hatred and violence has been caressed by the media and the government. We find entertainment through violence - video games have been created that award players with points for every time they kill another human and most movies released in modern times feature some form of violence. Humans are selfish and bursting with zeal, but these are entities ignited by capitalism which has taught us to be more selfish and inconsiderate towards other humans we share this beautiful Earth with. Many people believe that money is the root of all corruption and in some ways this is true. However, it's only ever those who have too much money or not enough of it that seem to emancipate corruption (Corporations steal from us by evading taxes or by charging extortionately for mandatory items like food and shampoo while poor people often steal or beg for money to sustain a standard of living). If we can harness a balance in society where corporation's revenues are heavily moderated and poverty is diminished, then we can all live in harmony.

Peace is happiness, and people need to know this. The happiest countries in the world are all among the most peaceful according to the World Happiness Report (http://bit.ly...) which analyses factors such as GDP, life expectancy, social support and freedom has deemed the most peaceful countries such as Denmark, New Zealand and Iceland all to be the happiest populations on the planet. Freedom, well-being, equality and other commodities associated with peace are all things people want. Countries drowned in a vast lake of corruption and conflict like Syria, South Sudan and Nigeria are among the most unhappy

World peace can happen, we just need discover a method of moderating hatred and selfishness and learn to accept our differences. A vast number of nations have already succeeded in doing this so it's definitely possible.
Kinryu

Con

I will start off by saying that yes, I which violence, greed, hate, etc. would all stop. And yes we should strive to stop wars and violence with understanding and peace. But we must also be realistic.

"Humans are selfish and bursting with zeal, but these are entities ignited by capitalism which has taught us to be more selfish and inconsiderate towards other humans we share this beautiful Earth with. Many people believe that money is the root of all corruption and in some ways this is true. However, it's only ever those who have too much money or not enough of it that seem to emancipate corruption (Corporations steal from us by evading taxes or by charging extortionately for mandatory items like food and shampoo while poor people often steal or beg for money to sustain a standard of living). If we can harness a balance in society where corporation's revenues are heavily moderated and poverty is diminished, then we can all live in harmony."

I agree that capitalism "encourages" greed, and greed in turn turns humans against one another. However, America is capitalist and will probably remain such. Not to mention that America is continuing to spread capitalism worldwide.

"If we can harness a balance in society where corporation's revenues are heavily moderated and poverty is diminished, then we can all live in harmony."

But who would moderate these revenues? A body of people, most likely, who would control where the money would go. But with this much power, this body would likely become corrupt.

"The happiest countries in the world are all among the most peaceful according to the World Happiness Report (http://bit.ly......) which analyses factors such as GDP, life expectancy, social support and freedom has deemed the most peaceful countries such as Denmark, New Zealand and Iceland all to be the happiest populations on the planet."

But these countries also have populations on the lower scale (https://www.cia.gov...), as well less ethnic/race diversity and or less religious diversity, both are known to cause tension/war.

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(You can look up the other countries if you wish).

"World peace can happen, we just need discover a method of moderating hatred and selfishness and learn to accept our differences. A vast number of nations have already succeeded in doing this so it's definitely possible."

And what are the chances we will actually find some sort of miracle method to moderate hatred and selfishness? If anything, I would argue that religion/philosophy can help people go on the right track (peace, love, etc.), but sadly, I see these things dying around me. Religion is slowly dwindling, and many religious people aren't serious about their faith. And a vast number of nations have not learned to accept our differences.
Debate Round No. 2
TheTragicLifeofFrank

Pro

Thanks for posting your argument so quickly after I posted mine.

Saying that the USA is a capitalist country and that it will never change is a very defeatist statement. Capitalism fuels the negative side of our emotional spectrum (greed, survival of the fittest etc.) and this needs to be prevented. Hatred, greed and arrogance are all entities created by us, developed naturally over thousands of years human existence. We'll never get rid of these habits because they've physically become a part of who we are, but if we teach people to understand and to accept then everyone could have the opportunity to live a peaceful life.

"Who would monitor these revenues?"

Simple answer: the government.

And it's not just the revenues that need to be monitored, it's the entire structure of the corporation and/or rich person. Money needs to be fairly distributed. That doesn't mean everyone should be on the same weekly wage, it just means that 1% of the population shouldn't own more money than the rest of the population combined (http://bloom.bg...). Money is the main catalyst for war so it's crucial that we moderate cash flow in order to suppress our motivation for greed.
There's a minimum wage, so why isn't there a maximum wage? Nobody needs billions of pounds sitting in the bank.

"A body of people, most likely, who would control where the money would go. But with this much power, this body would likely become corrupt."

This is correct. Large governments ruling large areas of land are often corrupt due to an overload of power. The least corrupt countries in the world are the smaller ones, and the larger countries such as Russia, China and America are all among the most corrupt countries in the world (http://bit.ly...). Governments should be implemented that control a maximum population of around six million people in order to prevent large scale corruption and a potential conflict (domestically or internationally). At the end of the day, it's governments that start wars and this needs to stop.

I'm not talking about conjuring up some 'miracle' method of incinerating hatred and greed, it's certainly not that simple. However, there must be certain political and social structures that don't focus as much on violence, wealth and consumerism that work in the best interests of the people and not the people's weaknesses (making people work hard for a low wage, bargains, brainwashing adverts etc.). Denmark is a peaceful and wealthy nation with over one million people non-danish people living in the country (http://bit.ly...). If Denmark can do it, then why can't everyone else project the same societal ideas but with their own unique cultures and politics?

We are the most intelligent species on this planet, we can work it out.
Kinryu

Con

"Saying that the USA is a capitalist country and that it will never change is a very defeatist statement."
While it may be a 'defeatist' statement, American was "born" capitalist and has been attempting to spread it. Almost everyone I know (teachers, friends, etc.), see capitalism as the best economic system, without considering its negatives. Capitalism, whether we want it or not, is around to stay.

"Hatred, greed and arrogance are all entities created by us, developed naturally over thousands of years human existence. We'll never get rid of these habits because they've physically become a part of who we are, but if we teach people to understand and to accept then everyone could have the opportunity to live a peaceful life."
Understand and accept what? I assume you mean other people's values. But how would we teach people to understand and accept? I mentioned before religion/philosophy as possibility, but both are disappearing. Also consider two values that contradict. How would these reconcile? What if some people's values consist of war and intolerance? How would understanding and acceptance be integrated into those beliefs? Even if some way to teach people understanding and acceptance was found, it does not mean people will except these beliefs(of understanding and acceptance). In a sense, by "forcing" people to accept understanding and tolerance, you are not tolerating beliefs that say otherwise.

"Money is the main catalyst for war so it's crucial that we moderate cash flow in order to suppress our motivation for greed."
There are so many factors that contribute to war, some examples being religion, land, ethnical differences, cultural differences, etc. Wars are often started by more than one factor, and monitoring or suppressing these factors is near impossible.

"There's a minimum wage, so why isn't there a maximum wage? Nobody needs billions of pounds sitting in the bank"
Billionaires disagree. So too does everyone who believes in a capitalist system. People will argue that their money is their money; they earned it, and they are entitled to it, even if thousands and thousands are living off barely a dollar's worth a day.

"Governments should be implemented that control a maximum population of around six million people in order to prevent large scale corruption and a potential conflict (domestically or internationally). At the end of the day, it's governments that start wars and this needs to stop."
And who would implement this "rule" to every government worldwide? Each government will do what it wants to do, unless stopped or compelled by another government (body of governments) or force to do otherwise. There is no "supreme government" that would implement this rule to governments of the different countries. The next best thing would be to ask the UN to implement this rule, but what are the chances they will even consider it? NONE. The only other option is to create an elite force of mercenaries to implement this rule on governments worldwide, but well......that isn't happening (unless Mithril is real).

"Denmark is a peaceful and wealthy nation with over one million people non-danish people living in the country (http://bit.ly......). If Denmark can do it, then why can't everyone else project the same societal ideas but with their own unique cultures and politics?"
As I pointed out earlier, Denmark has a white majority, as well as an Evangelical Lutheran majority, so tension between religion and race/ethnicity will obviously be lower. https://www.cia.gov...
However, what one country does pertain to the rest of the world. Sure, Denmark is peaceful and advocates peace, but as soon as another nation decides to attack or invade Denmark, the peace is shattered. For there to be peace between nations worldwide, a majority, if not all powerful and influential nations must agree to advocate peace within their own borders and to other nations. The likeliness of thus happening is very, very low.

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