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It is a contradicting for a person to stand against the death penalty and favor late term abortions.

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Started: 3/6/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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bigdog

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I feel it is intellectually dishonest when people argue against the death penalty but are in favor of late term abortions. It makes logical sense if someone supports both or argues against both. I am not sure how someone can stand by while one person makes a decision to end a life that has had no time to make a mistake but fights against a punishment of the same result when many people need to have irrefutable evidence in order to sentence this person to this penalty.
ScrewSociety62

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Standing against the Death Penalty and supporting late term abortions does make sense, for a variety of reasons. For instance, the Death Penalty could condemn an innocent man to death and Abortions could help an unexpected mother by getting rid of a Baby that they are just not prepared to have, for a number of reasons.

As a teen, I know many other teenagers that are in Jail, and and quite a few who have accidentally gotten pregnant at a young age. It blows my mind that some of my friends could be killed depending on the severity of the crime of which they are accused, wrongly or the thought of a 16 year old mother, who now has to get a job to support the baby because she had not wanted to put the baby up for adoption.
Debate Round No. 1
bigdog

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"Abortions could help an unexpected mother by getting rid of a Baby that they are just not prepared to have, for a number of reasons"

By your statement above, abortions are a way of post intercourse birth control. Rather than giving that child up for adoption, we might as well just stick as scissors into the back of it's skull and suck the brains out before tearing the unborn child's limbs off for easier extraction. (Please see Dr. Martin Haskell's procedure as he wrote the process on late-term/partial birth abortions) http://www.priestsforlife.org... .

"As a teen, I know many other teenagers that are in Jail, and and quite a few who have accidentally gotten pregnant at a young age."

By this statement, you are saying that when a female engages in sexual intercourse she believes there is no chance of becoming pregnant. The only way to "accidentally" become pregnant is to have intercourse. The only way to "purposely" become pregnant is to have intercourse. The correlation I am getting to, is if you have intercourse, protected or not, the female may become pregnant. The only way to become pregnant is to have intercourse.

I do not support abortions in any form but in order to have a late-term abortion which is the topic of this debate, the female must be pregnant for 7-9 months. What made this female decide in the 7th month that she became pregnant by "accident".

"16 year old mother, who now has to get a job to support the baby because she had not wanted to put the baby up for adoption." By this statement, abortion is a better alternative to adoption? This mother to be didn't want to put her baby up for adoption so she had an abortion?

"It blows my mind that some of my friends could be killed depending on the severity of the crime of which they are accused, wrongly" Accusations alone do not place people on death row.
ScrewSociety62

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"By your statement above, abortions are a way of post intercourse birth control. Rather than giving that child up for adoption, we might as well just stick as scissors into the back of it's skull and suck the brains out before tearing the unborn child's limbs off for easier extraction. (Please see Dr. Martin Haskell's procedure as he wrote the process on late-term/partial birth abortions) http://www.priestsforlife.org...... ."

Some women aren't ready to mother children, or go through the pain of childbirth. Abortion is a good alternative, no matter how brutal it may be.

"By this statement, you are saying that when a female engages in sexual intercourse she believes there is no chance of becoming pregnant. The only way to "accidentally" become pregnant is to have intercourse. The only way to "purposely" become pregnant is to have intercourse. The correlation I am getting to, is if you have intercourse, protected or not, the female may become pregnant. The only way to become pregnant is to have intercourse.

I do not support abortions in any form but in order to have a late-term abortion which is the topic of this debate, the female must be pregnant for 7-9 months. What made this female decide in the 7th month that she became pregnant by "accident"."

Birth control is 99.9% effective, and many people use condoms to prevent pregnancies. Accidents DO happen, and if they do, it's good to have a logical alternative besides childbirth to fall back on. An accidental pregnancy is a pregnancy which was not planned. So instead of a married couple planning a baby, which would be a planned pregnancy, a woman may be raped, or a condom may break which leads to an unwanted baby, which is an accidental pregnancy.

"Accusations alone do not place people on death row."

Sometimes a person is placed in jail for a crime which they did not commit, but cannot prove they didn't commit the particular crime. If you have ever seen the movie "Shawshank Redemption," the main character is an excellent example of this.

Being pro choice and anti death penalty is not contradicting however, because they are two separate things. Abortion is an alternative to childbirth, it is not mandatory, it is optional, and the option should always be there for a pregnant woman. The death penalty kills the innocent and guilty alike, and therefore is morally wrong. My views on abortion would be different if it were mandatory, but it isn't. It's the womans decision, body and it should be respected.
Debate Round No. 2
bigdog

Pro

"Some women aren't ready to mother children, or go through the pain of childbirth. Abortion is a good alternative, no matter how brutal it may be."

They aren't ready for children and the responsibility but they are ready for intercourse followed up by an abortion?

"Birth control is 99.9% effective, and many people use condoms to prevent pregnancies. Accidents DO happen, and if they do, it's good to have a logical alternative besides childbirth to fall back on. An accidental pregnancy is a pregnancy which was not planned. So instead of a married couple planning a baby, which would be a planned pregnancy, a woman may be raped, or a condom may break which leads to an unwanted baby, which is an accidental pregnancy."

Abstinence is 100% effective. Also, the topic we are debating is late-term abortions, therefore your comment regarding a woman being raped is off topic and should be disregarded as this wouldn't require a late term abortion. As far as a condom breaking, there are morning after pills in this case.

"Sometimes a person is placed in jail for a crime which they did not commit, but cannot prove they didn't commit the particular crime. If you have ever seen the movie "Shawshank Redemption," the main character is an excellent example of this."

The Shawshank Redemption is a fictional movie therefore no events can be used off this film as this never actually happened. Fictional movies are not to be used in a debate to prove a point. Also, in America, we have a policy called "Innocent until proven guilty" which means you do not have to prove you didn't do it in order to be found innocent.

"Being pro choice and anti death penalty is not contradicting however, because they are two separate things. Abortion is an alternative to childbirth, it is not mandatory, it is optional, and the option should always be there for a pregnant woman. The death penalty kills the innocent and guilty alike, and therefore is morally wrong. My views on abortion would be different if it were mandatory, but it isn't. It's the womans decision, body and it should be respected."

The difference between late term abortions and the death penalty is that late term abortions only kill the innocent by the decision of one person while the death penalty only kills those found guilty through the decisions of many individuals based on proper court procedures. Another question for you, is if a man is required to pay child support why can the man not make the decision to force an abortion as he is just as financially responsible for the child as the mother? So if he isn't ready but she is, it is just his loss? That seems to be a form of sexism as only females can choose abortions, what happened to equal rights under the law regardless of gender, nationality, religion, etc.?
ScrewSociety62

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ScrewSociety62 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by bigdog 9 years ago
bigdog
Check out my profile to see where I stand on the issues and challenge me to a debate on one or more that you do not agree with. I will help you see understand the reason behind that belief as I think logically and rationally about how things do work as opposed to how people would like them to work. Just challenge me when you will be more likely to actively participate in the debate so that you don't miss rounds.
Posted by ScrewSociety62 9 years ago
ScrewSociety62
Yes, i'm aware. Anytime, my views remain unchanged however, other debates with you would be fun.
Posted by bigdog 9 years ago
bigdog
No apology needed. You hurt yourself not me.

Thanks for the debate though.
Posted by ScrewSociety62 9 years ago
ScrewSociety62
Aww man, I missed my deadline. Sincerest apologies.
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