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Loserboi
Pro (for)
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The Contender
studentathletechristian8
Con (against)
Losing
1 Points

It is in LeBron James best interest to leave the Cleveland

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Loserboi
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/15/2010 Category: Sports
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Loserboi

Pro

It's time, after 7 years they never even got close to winning a championship. LeBron James needs to use his skill while he's in his prime to win with a better team that can offer more players that can back up LeBron James. Teams like Miami, Chicago, and New Jersey can offer that. LeBron James has to do too much of the work in Cleveland because let's face it their entire system revolves around LeBron James getting the ball. The last playoff game that ended their season against Boston, LeBron James got 19rebounds that is insane, where is Shaquille O Neal where is Antawn Jamison? The supporting cast is not good enough to win a title.

LeBron James is just hurting his career staying in Cleveland other cities, bigger cities can offer him the large market that LeBron craves if he wants to fulfill his dream about being a billionaire athlete by the time he retires.

Kevin Garnett long time veteran wasted his career in Minnesota never getting a chance to win a championship ring "Loyalty is something that hurts you at times because you can't get youth back," That is right on the money. If LeBron James stays in Cleveland he will just be getting older while this team just rebuilds year after year. Shaq and Jamison are not all star caliber anymore, Mo Williams is not all star caliber either, Lebron James should relieve some of his pressure and leave because it is too much to carry an entire city's dream of its first title on his back alone.
studentathletechristian8

Con

I thank my opponent for the debate and the audience for another opportunity.

I shall negate the resolution, "It is in LeBron James's best interest to leave the Cleveland Cavaliers."

Outline of my opponent's first round argument:
1) James will probably be unable to achieve a championship ring in Cleveland: he has no supporting casts and may have a better chance at winning a championship if he leaves for another team.
2) James has two dreams: that of being a) winning a championship and b) becoming a billionaire. He will not achieve these at Cleveland.

My argumentation:

It is not in James's best interest to leave the Cleveland Cavaliers.

First of all, if James leaves, he will actually lose money. The Cavaliers can afford to pay more for him at this point. If a player in the NBA leaves a team and signs with another, he can only have a 10 percent increase in salary per year. However, if a player in the NBA stays with his "former" team, he can have a 15 percent increase in salary per year. James's "dream" of becoming a billionaire will be even less likely if he leaves Cleveland: he'll actually lose over thirty million dollars if he leaves. I have successfully refuted part b) of number two of my outline of Loserboi's argumentation. I have also explained one reason why it's not in James's interest to leave: the financial factor.

Also, the city of Cleveland is only around thirty miles from his hometown. Thus, the Cleveland Cavaliers is his hometown team. If he left the Cavs, not only would he be responsible for completely destroying the near future of the Cavs, but he will also have to experience the outrage and anger from all of his prior Cleveland fans. His leaving would leave the Cavs hopeless and completely broken. He does not have the heart to leave the Cavs; if he died, he would be looked down upon socially and personally by millions of prior fans. When Shaq left the Magic, it was never the same: he was completely disregarded and shunned by the fans of Orlando. His hometown is especially important to him: he wouldn't be able to demoralize what made him great in the first place.

For the rest, my opponent complains that James will not be able to reach a championship with the Cavs. However, LeBron is quite young and still has many years to achieve one. The team went quite far in the playoffs this year, and they will only get better in the off season. My opponent cannot prove that LeBron will be unable to achieve a championship at Cleveland: only time will tell.

I have refuted my opponent's arguments. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 1
Loserboi

Pro

Thanks

First off 2nd round in the playoffs is not far its not even close to a championship the Cavs losing in the 2nd round means that they are not even the best team in the Eastern conference. The Cleveland Cavaliers have been eliminated in the 2nd round for a second straight year. The cavs will not get better Antawn Jamison, Shaquille O Neal, and Anthony Parker has reached the age where they are no longer progressing but are now facing decline in skill. Mo Williams career achievement on the cavs is being a all star reserve reserve, Anderson Varejao who is nowhere to be seen on the offensive side of the ball, these two are the best youth the Cavs have on their roster to back up LeBron James and develop alongside with him. LeBron Needs to move to a situation where all the work is not being done by him, LeBron James has to do too much on this cavaliers team he should not be their leader in rebounding and assists that is just asking too much out of him. In the playoffs he led the Cavaliers in every statistical category this man needs help and the Cavs have not provided him the help he needs so he should move a team where they have already have players who can contribute and who are young like the New Jersey Nets, Chicago Bulls, or the Miami Heat. LeBron is still young so he should move to a team who are also young to have a chance at creating a dynasty because since the 2007 finals Cleveland has not gotten anywhere close to a championship and Lebron James being the "King" of basketball that he is, being a loser is not good for his image.

LeBron James contract amount will be larger if he stayed in Cleveland but Cleveland is not a big market city. LeBron James could have an opportunity to increase his endorsements by playing for a bigger city with a bigger market. The contract will not make him a billionaire the endorsements will and LeBron playing in a bigger city will not only amp up his fame but his appeal to companies that want LeBron to endorse his products. Chicago, New York, New Jersey, Miami, possibly L.A are all big name cities and that could exponentially increase the fame of LeBron James. Plus all those teams have a younger cast of players and some of them already have proven all stars on their team that LeBron could play with.

Disappointing Cleveland? LeBron has to think what is best for his career, loyalty is one thing but he should see from the past 3 years Cleveland will not get better there is too much of an age gap with him and the best supporting players on his team. Cleveland fans will be devastated but they will eventually move on. Orlando moved on after losing Shaq, Toronto moved on after losing Vince Carter, Minnesota moved on after losing Kevin Garnett, New Jersey moved on after losing Jason Kidd, and Dallas moved on after losing Steve Nash. Shaq leaving Orlando did not tarnish his legacy he will be remembered for what he did in Los Angeles becoming a legend in the big city of L.A. We cannot help but to think that Lebron also wants the kind of fame that comes with winning in a big city. The city of Cleveland will hate LeBron but sooner or later another player will come along that they will cheer for its just a cycle of how the world of sports works. LeBron James should not let guilt cloud his judgment on the biggest decision of his career. He will never get youth back and anywhere he goes he will acquire a new fan base that will love him just the same as Cleveland did.
studentathletechristian8

Con

studentathletechristian8 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Loserboi

Pro

My opponent has forfeited the last round I have nothing new to add to my last argument. Vote Pro
studentathletechristian8

Con

studentathletechristian8 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Loserboi 7 years ago
Loserboi
LOL i just realized it didnt fit the whole title
Posted by Loserboi 7 years ago
Loserboi
It would make the NBA a hella of a lot more interesting if he did leave and teamed up with wade, Bosh, Derrick Rose, or Devin Harris
Posted by studentathletechristian8 7 years ago
studentathletechristian8
LeBron isn't leaving, L. Wade prolly won't leave unless his personal life gets in the way.
Posted by Danielle 7 years ago
Danielle
The Nets have, I believe, 2 first round draft picks next year and a ton of salary cap space. I'm hoping LeBron AND Wade come on over to my neck of the woods :)
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