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It is more probable that no god exists than it is that one does.

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Started: 1/5/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 9 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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First round is simply acceptance of the debate.


If someone told you that a camel can go through an eye of a needle, would you believe it?

Of course not, you would most probably vehemently disagree, no matter how sincerely that person believes that a camel can go through an eye of a needle, you would still disagree with authority!


The odds that there was no designer of this world are so astronomically overwhelming that reasonably speaking men have to quietly admit that this world was created and God created it.

The question is not,
Does God exist?

Was this world designed or not?

When also taking into account that something as a simplistic watch cannot be created even when given infinite time, how can you believe that a human reproductive system can be created by chance?

There endless mysteries in this universe and, you only have to believe that at least one was designed, for that would mean you believe in a designer[God].

Therefore, no,
It is more probable that God exists than it is that one does not exist.
Debate Round No. 1


No one has to admit anything was created by a god or deity. You have yet to prove anything.

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean "god did it". That's foolish.

If the question is was the world designed or not the answer is clearly no.

The Human Reproductive system has come from thousands of years of evolution, and was needed in order for a species to survive. If you want to delve into specific details i'd be more than happy too, but i have work in 30min and need to leave.

You again should try and come up with some evidence that suggests a god or "designer" actually exists, and if you do, try and explain why they didn't intelligently design everything they made.

Examples coming in my next post.


Passionate_Fighter forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2


I guess i'll start by refuting the watchmaker's argument.

You mentioned the watch and how by looking at it you can tell there was a watchmaker.

That is an argument that assumes the watch is different from nature, which is uncomplicated and random.

It also implies that the universe is so complicated, complex, and ordered that it too must have a creator.

Those are incompatible qualities right off the bat.

What if kept walking and found a shoe? Would you assume that the watchmaker made that shoe as well?

Of course you wouldn't. Therefore created life would have a lifemaker, the sun a sunmaker, and earth a planet maker. That means there would be several creators responsible for all kinds of things.

Also wouldn't the watchmaker have a father? He would have had to at some point correct? That man would have had a father and so on and so forth.

You would say that there is one original god without an origin or a cause. What stops us from making that assumption of the universe itself?

Occam's Razor even encourages to do so.

Richard Dawkins said:

" The analogy between telescope and eye, between watch and living organism, is false. All appearances to the contrary, the only watchmaker in nature is the blind force of physics, albeit deplored in a special way. A true watchmaker has foresight: he designs his cogs and springs, and plans their interconnections, with a future porpose in his mind's eye. Natural selection, the blind unconscious, automatic process which Darwin discovered, and which we now know is the explanation for the existence and apparently purposeful form of all life, has no purpose in mind. It has no mind and no mind's eye. It does not plan for the future. It has no vision, no foresight, no sight at all. If it can be said to play the role of watchmaker in nature, it is the blind watchmaker."

Hopefully you understand why the watchmaker argument is not a very good one.

Now for those examples i promised.

If you believe in intelligent design then explain any of the following to me.

If god wants men to be circumcised why doesn't he just have them created and born that way?

Why does he allow for physical birth defects or intersex conditions?

Why couldn't he predict the amount of teeth we would need as adults?

Why are our adrenal glands as large as they are.

Aging. It is literally caused by a biological error in our cells.

Why are our genitals used both for waste excretion AND considered to be used for the most interesting activities humans engage in?

Why is the male G-spot inside of the anus, yet anal sex is supposed to be forbidden?

Why do we have appendixes? They occasionally swell up, trying to kill their owners and are useless because human's don't eat grass.

Why is giving birth so painful for women? Sometimes even being lethal.

What about Auto-immune disorders?



Oncogenes? (genes that exist solely to give us cancer)

Memory problems. Why can you remember where you were on 9/11 for example but not where you put your keys five minutes ago.

The Ulnar nerve or "The Funny Bone". The placement is peculiar and located on the outside of the elbow joint.

Human's pass out at 12 G's and die at 18G's, while cockroaches can survive 120G's. Why?

Why can we get addicted to certain chemicals?

What about OCD, Bipolar disorder, Schizophrenia, dyslexia, aphasia, and depression/anxiety?

What about homosexuality? (It's not a choice in case you're still on that bandwagon)

Why do we have the same passage for both passing food and breathing? Isn't that a choking hazard.

Why are there psychopaths? People with a tendency for violence?

I can give a hundred more examples of unintelligent design in humans alone, not to mention the thousands of problems that get brought up in other animals.

I think i'll stop here because i'm not even sure you will continue the debate at this point.

Please make an effort to though, i'm interested if you can refute anything i've just said without simply saying "god works in mysterious ways".


Passionate_Fighter forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3


Well i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you must not have access to a computer for some reason.

We have a few more rounds to go so i'll just let it go for know and see if you come back to continue.


Passionate_Fighter forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4


electrivire forfeited this round.


Passionate_Fighter forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by electrivire 9 months ago
Also if you are going to give the whole Einstein teacher-student discussion on how it doesn't exist you can just cut your losses now.

Cold exists in the sense that we understand what cold means as a description for a feeling we have.

Same for darkness.

Evil does not exist however and neither does god.
Posted by electrivire 9 months ago
Sure it exists, although in a different capacity per each individual.
Posted by Dkice4 9 months ago
It is a simple question, does cold exist?
Posted by electrivire 9 months ago
That's subjective. Cold for 1 living thing is different than cold for another living thing.
Posted by Dkice4 9 months ago
I have a question for Pro, does cold exist?
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