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Cooldudebro
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vladashtin
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It is okay to kill animals for food

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Cooldudebro
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/15/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Cooldudebro

Pro

First round is for acceptance. Good luck!
Debate Round No. 1
Cooldudebro

Pro

Case 1: It is natural

Many animals kill other animals for food all the time. We don't call them killers! Yet, if a human kills an animal for food, it is a huge deal! even if they don't need the food, animals will kill. (Think cat kills mouse even though he was just fed) Therefore, I do not see the big deal of a human killing an animal for food. We are in kingdom animilia, so I think we have just as much right to kill an animal than any other species for food.

Case 2: Survival

Here is a scenario that is very probable.

Jeremy goes with his friends to go hiking in the forest. Jeremy and his friends have a man waiting to pick them up at their end location. They reach the location, but finds that the man took off without them. His friend then confesses there was no man in the first place, and he thought that the forest would end there. For days, Jeremy and his friends do not know which plants are good to eat, and which are bad. Jeremy finds a deer, and takes out his rifle that he brought with him, and shoots and kills the deer, giving him and his friends days worth of food!

So, you are saying Jeremy should have let the deer go? It saved people's lives! Is the deer's life, more important than 6 other humans? The deer can't even reason!

Case 3: Many people need animal meat

Many poor people in India need animals like fish. They don't have the luxury of buying beans! (1) So, all those people should die because those fishes lives are more important?! Fish don't even have a brain!

1. http://www.fao.org...

These reasons are why it is okay to eat animals. Thank you!
vladashtin

Con

I disagree with you:

1. Animals kill animals because they can't think like people, they just do what their nature says. It's their instinct and animals can't control it. But people have a choice, we have a mind and can decide what to do by ourselves. That's why there is a big difference between calling animals and people "killers".

2. People can live without meat. It isn't necessary for our survival and health. We can find all nutrients in other food. For example in beans, broccoli, nuts, lentil, mushrooms etc.
Meat has only bad influence on people's health. It leads to heart and kidney diseases. If you didn't know, people want animals to grow faster, especially it's about chicken, and give them a lot of injections which are destroy their organisms. When you eat meat, this bad substances enter your organism and begin to destroy you. That's why vegetarians are much healthier than meat eaters.
http://mobile.foodnavigator-usa.com...

3. People weren't created to eat meat. Our organism has very big difference with organism of predators. For example, we don't have this big and sharp teeth, like predators. Because we don't need to eat meat.

4. Jay Bost, agroecologist and winner the New York Times essay contest on the ethics of eating meat, said that "eating meat raised in specific circumstances is ethical; eating meat raised in other circumstances is unethical". I agree with him, because in specific situation, when there is a choice between animal's life and human's life, people can kill animal, but just for saving their lives.

Thank you!
Debate Round No. 2
Cooldudebro

Pro

Cooldudebro forfeited this round.
vladashtin

Con

vladashtin forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Cooldudebro

Pro

1.

I give you that. Also, why is it bad for us and not for animals? I have an instinct to run, but I fight. Animals can not control themselves, but technically, we are in kingdom animilia. This means we are animals so we have a right.

2.

I have to disagree with you here. Humans need meat for many reasons. Here is the things vegetarians are doing to themselves when they don't eat meat.

B12

Because this vitamin is mainly found in meat, dairy products and eggs, vegans must get it from other sources such as supplements, fortified breakfast cereals and Marmite. Deficiency can lead to irreversible nervous system damage.

Vitamin D

Our skins make vitamin D when exposed to the sun's ultraviolet rays. But with desk-bound jobs, long winters and unpredictable weather, it is not always possible to get enough. Vitamin D is crucial for bone growth in children, and deficiency can result in rickets. Oily fish is one of the best dietary sources, but vegans can obtain it from fortified breakfast cereals and margarine. People living in Scotland may need to take greater care over vitamin D, as may people from cultures that require them to cover up.

Calcium

Found in dairy products, this is essential for strong bones. It is often lacking in a vegan diet unless taken as supplement.

Iron

Without sufficient iron, vegans and vegetarians can become anaemic. Deficiency can also delay growth in toddlers. Iron is commonly found in meat, but vegetarians can source iron from pulses and leafy green vegetables.

Calories

Although childhood obesity is an issue today, not enough calories can mean children don't grow properly. This can be a problem in high-fibre diets.

Protein

High-biological-value protein is found in meat, fish, eggs and dairy products. Low-biological-value protein is found in nuts, pulses and wholegrains. Separately, the latter don't contain all the essential amino acids, but do when combined correctly. Knowledge of which foods to mix together is therefore crucial.

Minerals
In addition to offering significant protein, meat provides a wide variety of minerals to support the optimal functioning of your cells and tissues. For instance, it is an important source of both iron and zinc. Iron helps carry oxygen to and throughout your tissues, while zinc is required for a strong immune system, wound healing and enzyme activity within your cells. The phosphorus content of meat helps keep your bones strong, the sulfur it contains can be incorporated into new amino acids and the chromium found in meat assists in metabolizing your dietary sugars.

Vitamins
A number of B vitamins are available from the meat you consume. Thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, pantothenic acid and biotin help your cells extract energy from the foods you eat each day. Vitamin B-6 keeps your nervous and circulatory systems healthy, and it functions in both protein synthesis and protein metabolism. This vitamin also assists in the absorption of vitamin B-12, another vitamin essential for circulatory and nerve health, as well as energy production. Meat is an especially important source of vitamin B-12, because, unlike other B vitamins, B-12 is not found in any plant-based foods.

Fats
Although you need a limited supply of fats in your diet for good health, the saturated fats found in meat can be detrimental to your well-being. Consuming high levels of saturated fats can increase your risk of atherosclerosis, a condition in which plaque deposits form on the walls of your arteries, and can lead to heart disease. Taking in too many dietary fats, such as from fatty cuts of meat, can result in accumulation of fat stores in and around your organs, causing eventual organ damage. High fat intake can also lead to an increased risk of obesity and diabetes. Selecting lean cuts of meat and trimming off excess fat help minimize the harmful effects of meat while allowing you to benefit from its rich nutrient content.

Supplements. We all know they are nothing like the real thing. we need meat. it supplies us with so much of the vital nutrients we need.

1. http://healthyeating.sfgate.com...
2. http://www.independent.co.uk...

3.

Thanks for no evidence. I have prooved that meat supplies the body with many nutrients it needs. I eat meat. Every day I eat meat. We are predators. Man still rely on meat. People in India rely on fish for their food. So, you are saying we should let them go without their protein? Some people don't have the luxury of buying beans. You would be indirectly killing millions of people if you would ban meat!

4.

You basically conceded. Thanks! You yourself stated that it is okay to kill animals for food in some situations. Thanks man!

5.

Also, the economy will suffer A LOT! I got proof! banning the killing of animals will cost millions of jobs and billions of dollars!

1. http://www.meatami.com...

Ladies and gentleman, I have proved that:

The human body needs meat

No killings of animals will hinder the economy

Many people will die if killing animals for food were illegal

I believe these are three good reasons that you should give me convincing arguments. Thank you for this debate. I would like to apologize to my opponent for not responding. I was grounded for the first time in 2 years. :P
vladashtin

Con

vladashtin forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by kbub 2 years ago
kbub
Did you know that many nonhuman animals rape "all the time" too? The "it's natural" argument is not going to work. For humans with access to sufficient calories, eating meat is a choice.
Posted by Seeginomikata 2 years ago
Seeginomikata
Animals eat each other for food all the time. It's part of the natural cycle of life. Homo Sapiens are an omnivorous animal species, we get the majority of our protein, fat, and carbohydrates from other animals, and then supplement that diet with nuts, fruits and vegetables for necessary vitamins and nutrients that are only primarily found in plant foods. Obviously it makes sense to eat animals.

And besides, they are delicious too :)
Posted by kbub 2 years ago
kbub
God never said that dominion meant anything about milk, meat, etc.
Posted by kbub 2 years ago
kbub
Genesis says we are the caretakers of the world. We're doing a bad job. In the garden of Eden, everyone was a vegetarian.
Posted by vladashtin 2 years ago
vladashtin
RebelRebelDixieDixie01, Do you have any evidence that God said it? I think no, then I can't believe in your words.
Posted by RebelRebelDixieDixie01 2 years ago
RebelRebelDixieDixie01
God has said we as humans have dominion over animals for food, clothing, and milk and stuff. Dont think i have no heart, i own a cat and lvoe him, but cows chicken and those animals can be killed for harvest.
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