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It is pointless to talk about the Universes' creations

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/9/2011 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
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CAPLlock

Pro

Pointless: Without meaning,

Universe: The space that everything is in(You are in the Universe)


I'm here to say that a debate about the Universe cannot truly finish.

R1: Acceptance
thett3

Con

I accept.
Debate Round No. 1
CAPLlock

Pro

I hope you have read my comment in the comments

The two main sides; Big bang vs. God, don't have any concrete proof so a debate could go on forever, or stop in stagnation
The physics creates to what may seem to us as a paradox.
thett3

Con

It is certainly not pointless to speak of the Universes creation. My Opponent states that since the debate is likely to rage forever, there is no point in having it. Well I would like to show my Opponent, and the judges, this famous quote from Joseph Joubert[1]. "It is better to debate a question without settling it, than to settle it without debating it."


=Case=


C1. It is good to speak of the Universes creation if a diety exists.

This point is quite simple, all (that I know of) religions believe in an afterlife. In many religions, only those who believe in the higher power make it to the best afterlife such as heaven. So if a diety exists, it would certainly be beneficial to speak of the power that created the Universe, because that is the only way to salvation.

C2. Furthers scientific knowledge.

While the new theories on the Universe's creation such as the big-bang, and the string theory, have yet to significantly impact us I contend that the more knowledge the better. A better understanding of our Universe and its creation can only be beneficial.

C3. Debating Universe creation is intellectually stimulating.

How the universe was created is one of the questions most pondered by humanity. I'm sure we've all seen excellent writings and debates over the existence of God/big bang which would not exist if this topic was not discussed!

Back to you, pro.

=Source=


1. http://thinkexist.com...
Debate Round No. 2
CAPLlock

Pro

=Case=


C1. It is good to speak of the Universes creation if a diety exists.

This point is quite simple, all (that I know of) religions believe in an afterlife. In many religions, only those who believe in the higher power make it to the best afterlife such as heaven. So if a diety exists, it would certainly be beneficial to speak of the power that created the Universe, because that is the only way to salvation.

Now I believe in god, but what proof do you have that God made the Universe?


C2. Furthers scientific knowledge.


While the new theories on the Universe's creation such as the big-bang, and the string theory, have yet to significantly impact us I contend that the more knowledge the better. A better understanding of our Universe and its creation can only be beneficial.


But for now theres no proof in this. Studying is alright ,but, for now there's no proof. The problem is people will always ask "Why?".

C3. Debating Universe creation is intellectually stimulating.


How the universe was created is one of the questions most pondered by humanity. I'm sure we've all seen excellent writings and debates over the existence of God/big bang which would not exist if this topic was not discussed!

Clever. But it will never end and that time could be used for AIDS

Back to you, pro.



thett3

Con

In this round, I will simply refute my Opponents rebuttals.


"Now I believe in god, but what proof do you have that God made the Universe?" First off, this completely misses the point of my argument. My argument states that IF a God exists, it is more than beneficial to talk about him. (indeed it could mean your soul if you don't). However, for the sake of argument I will answer this as if it was a valid objection. There are excellent arguments, both for and against the existence of God. It's an important topic that must be discussed.


"But for now theres no proof in this. Studying is alright ,but, for now there's no proof. The problem is people will always ask "Why?"." -In this objection, my Opponent states that there is no proof for NOW. Meaning that he belives there will eventually be proof. If this is so, how can we ever prove it if we don't talk about it?

"Clever. But it will never end and that time could be used for AIDS" This condradicts your objection to my second point where you state that there will eventually be proof, thus ending the debate. Also you've made no response to my quote. You also seem to not understand specialization among scientists. The scientists who theorize about things such as the big bang could never create a cure for AIDS because they don't have a medical degree.

Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 3
CAPLlock

Pro

CAPLlock forfeited this round.
thett3

Con

Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 4
CAPLlock

Pro

CAPLlock forfeited this round.
thett3

Con

I think this goes without saying.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Pozzo 5 years ago
Pozzo
Damn. I was going to accept. Good luck to both of you, I'll be following with interest.
Posted by CAPLlock 5 years ago
CAPLlock
The origin( Big bang, God etc)
Posted by Pozzo 5 years ago
Pozzo
The universes' creation? Do you mean the origin of the universe?
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Vote Placed by Krazzy_Player 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro seems to equate matters without proof=matters not to be discussed. Unfortunately, Con disproved that by a long shot.
Vote Placed by RoyLatham 5 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro forfeit leaves Con's points unanswered. Con could have used some more references to give the present value of having a "theory of everything." As it was, Pro didn't make much of a case so more was not necessary.
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfiet. Con still displays the superior argument by far. All that Pro did was ask questions while making no case of his own.