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Nismo69
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Geekis_Khan
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It's been said that the first gun was made to kill man.

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Started: 5/2/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Nismo69

Con

I believe that there was a much greater need to kill an animal with a gun, before there was a need to kill another person with one. So it's the somewhat of the age old question who came first the chicken or the egg? I mean think about it, I'm sure people got pretty tired of using weapons prior to the creation of the gun to kill an animal (ex: bow and arrow) or trying to chase the animal down on foot. So I'm thinking that the gun was created originally to kill an animal in order to kill one quicker and more efficiently before people began using guns as a means to kill another person.
Geekis_Khan

Pro

Thank you for starting the debate.

First of, I agree that it seems logical that the first guns would have been made for hunting. But, logical though it may be, this was not the case. It is an issue of how gun-powder technology evolved and the practicality of early guns.

First, we must look at how gun powder technology evolved. Gun powder was of course used in the Orient for fireworks. Eventually, Europeans discovered hat it would have a use in warfare. This lead to the invention of the cannon during the early 1300s. IMPORTANT: The cannon came before any type of hand gun. Now, if you cosider a cannon a gun, then go ahead and vote PRO, as you obviously wouldn't use a cannon to hunt.

Technology then evolved into the hand cannon during the late 1300s. This would meet the qualifications to be the first gun. It's handheld, it uses gunpowder, and itsends a projectile to cause damage. These hand cannons started appearing ON THE BATTLEFIELD.

(NOTE: These dates work around the European technology tree. Some sources say that other countries had some of this technology earlier, but this doesn't cahnge the fact that this technology was used for military purposes.

Looking at the practicality, the battlefield is where they were practical. They were too innaccurate for hunting, but they could still cause damage to soldiers marching close together or enemies at point-blank range. They also had a great use in the ability to knock a knight off of his horse.

However, because of the horrible accuracy of these cannons, they weren't preferable to bows and arrows in hunting. The evolution of the gun was inspired by military concerns, not hunting concerns. Guns weren't really used in hunting until after the Middle Ages were over. They were used on the battlefield by the soldier, however, on a much larger scale during the Middle Ages (even though other weapons were still used as gun powder technology had not yet come into its own) than in the forest by the hunter.
Debate Round No. 1
Nismo69

Con

Well what about the first random projectile shooter type weapons although completely innaccurate, I'm still thinking they had to use them to kill animal prey. Even if not used by english men but by indian people and it does not have to be gun powder to be called a gun in my book. So it could be a mechanism or pressurized launch or even a release of tension in a handheld gun form that what im thinking was used to kill animals prior to the use of killing another person. Later on came weapons of higher accuacy to use for battle.
Geekis_Khan

Pro

Now you're trying to widen the definition to absuive terms. Were slingshots and bows first used to hunt? Probably. But those aren't guns.

However, if you're going for first mechanized projectile weapon, that would be the crossbow, which was used in battle.

But that doesn't even matter, because you're making the definition of gun too wide. Most definitions are more than just a projectile wepaon. They include shooting the projectile through a metal tube, and often the cause of the projectile is an explosion.

You can't just say that "this is a gun" and win. There has to be more criteria.
Debate Round No. 2
Nismo69

Con

Nismo69 forfeited this round.
Geekis_Khan

Pro

I extend all of my arguments and I strongly urge you to vote on the PRO. The first gun was used for military purposes.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by gonovice 7 years ago
gonovice
I don't think that the first gun made was to kill another person...i truly don't believe that mankind wasn't always this evil.
Posted by GodSands 7 years ago
GodSands
I believe the first gun was made to snap robe in half. Why not?
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