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Daghini
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Fryett
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It was the failures of the GMD that caused the CPC to win the civil war, not the actions of the CPC

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Started: 12/7/2014 Category: Politics
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Daghini

Con

It is very clear that the Communists actions lead to their victory, since it was the decisive action of Mao in getting Soviet support that allowed victory. Without the Soviets, the depleted and weary 8th Route Army stood no chance in resisting the GMD; no matter what quality they were in. This is evident in Manchuria, where the Communist forces originally stood at 60,000, a relatively small force in the civil war, but none the less, all the communists had to offer to this critical area. Mao had negotiated with the Red Army who occupied the region, and as a result, the Red Army had awarded the Communist with surrendered Japanese weapons and reenlisted over 200,000 troops into the CPC. As to weapons; the Shenyang arsenal alone gave the communists 100,000 guns and thousands of artillery pieces which allowed them to resist the GMD and win the war. More to the point: without the Soviet support that the CPC negotiated was crucial to winning the war, because otherwise the GMD would have out-numbered and out-equip the Communists, no matter how bad internal Nationalist affairs were

If the GMD had internally collapsed, the statement would be true, but it didn't, the failures of the GMD were only a result of overwhelming Communist success. Look at Inflation, mostly caused by the success of the Communists in the countryside, cutting the supply of food, driving competition and thus prices up. This therefore shows that the Communists success was a factor in causing the failures of the GMD, so either way, it was the Communists that caused the victory.
Fryett

Pro

In fact, it is not actually as clear as you state, due to there being many other factors that contributed to the CPC winning the civil war, that are far more consequential then the trivial matter of 'decisive action' taken by this monstrous dictator, Mao. The GMD could have easily of extinguished the rising CPC party, at the Long March and by not destroying them, they were left to evolve and strengthen like a breeding virus, multiplying in the human body. Alas, the GMD were weakened after the war with Japan; their soldiers lacked all incentive and they were a tragic excuse for an army. They may have had the numbers but they were futile, clearly apparent by the lack of morale. The GMD were corrupt as a party and dearth of the zeal, of which the Communists so evidently possessed. All of these factors left holes in the Nationalists, so many so, that they most probably looked like a figurative colander! A colander is weak Matteo; it can hold no water, and thus in this metaphorical sense, water is symbolic of control and power, held over China. Therefore, in reality it was the GMD that were crippling as a political party and the CPC were nothing special, they were just the pioneers and events happened to play in their favour. Anyone one else could have done what the Communist done, use gorilla warfare and gain the support of revolutionary peasants, thereby proving that there was nothing remarkable about the Communists. A period of time had came in China, due to the failings of the GMD that in instigated the environment for a civil war to begin with. If it had not been to the unrest of the country, accountable only to the current government; Nationalists, then a civil war would not have manifested, nor allowed to opportunity for CPC victory!
Debate Round No. 1
Daghini

Con

Ok, if the CPC were nothing 'Special' why were they able to resist the Japanese empire during the second world war, the imperial army was vastly superior to both the CPC and GMD, but it was the CPC who made victories in the war, tell me this? If they were nothing special - a few renegades with rifles, why didnt the GMD collapse during the war? If they were so weak, why could they resist? (There is some major flaws in this point Fryett, seek them out and exploit them)
Fryett

Pro

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Debate Round No. 2
Daghini

Con

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Fryett

Pro

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