The Instigator
Tatarize
Pro (for)
Losing
19 Points
The Contender
dvhoose
Con (against)
Winning
58 Points

It's nearly impossible to win a one round debate.

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Started: 5/28/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 5 months ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 348 times Debate No: 8452
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Tatarize

Pro

No matter what I say in the first round, it opens up for one quick counter argument and no chances at rebuttal. There's the off chance that the opponent fails to read the topic appropriately but those are fairly rare. Largely the only person who would take such a debate is somebody who has thought of some clever way to counter the original argument. For example, this debate might be countered with various claims and accusations and I would be powerless to rebut those claims and thus lose.
dvhoose

Con

I'd like to thank my opponent for offering such an interesting (and ironic) debate, however I must stand in firm negation of the topic.

My opponent is completely correct in that the instigator of a one-round debate is more than likely going to be disappointed in the outcome, however, that's not what this debate is about. We're debating that "It's nearly impossible to win a one round debate."

This is inherently false, as debates have one winner and one loser (unless we consider ties, which I'll touch in a little bit)

For now, let's assume that ties aren't possible. Someone is going to walk away a winner and someone is going to walk away a loser. Nearly impossible to win? On the contrary! It's nearly impossible not to win (or conversely not to lose) because SOMEBODY has to lose...

Now when we throw ties into the mix, the debate becomes a little more vague. However, using empirical evidence from this very website, I've found a statistic that makes things a little more clear. Using records of "Post Voting Period" debates, I checked debates until I found 10 one round debates. These 10 debates are the ones listed below

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*Note: I, dvhoose, am not responsible for any lost brain cells in the above 10 debates...

From the above debates, there were winners in 10 of them. 10/10 (or 100%) of one round debates have a winner.
While the above may represent only a small selection of one round debates (although I had to search through 200-some-odd debates to find 10 one round debates...) I highly doubt the percentage changes and implore you, the reader/voter to search more if you are still skeptical.

With that, I'll conclude the debate, after showing that 100% of one round debates have a winner, thus making it not "nearly impossible" to win but instead "nearly impossible" to tie.

Resolution NEGATED, please vote CON
Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by dvhoose 5 months ago
dvhoose
Haha, Tatarize, you had 8,000 characters and wrote 4 sentences...
Posted by mongeese 5 months ago
mongeese
However, a one-round debate is just asking for semantics.
Posted by Tatarize 5 months ago
Tatarize
No. The debate is easily arguable without semantics. As if I want some BS about how it's easy for the non-instigator to win. That's exactly what the debate was concerning.
Posted by PoeJoe 5 months ago
PoeJoe
+ Hmmm... I normally frown upon and even penalize debaters who solely argue semantics, but the thing is: I suspect PRO wanted CON to use semantics, and had CON not thought that PRO wanted him to argue semantics, perhaps CON wouldn't have argued semantics. But in doing so (or rather not doing so), CON proves his argument, which proves PRO's argument in an infinite loop. This is the reason I don't follow LM's reasoning below, which, also, brings ideas outside the debate that he is not supposed to consider. Every category is tied, except for sources, which I gave to CON.
Posted by Logical-Master 5 months ago
Logical-Master
LOL. Gotta love semantics. I would vote CON, but PRO made it clear that he was referring to the instigator. In essence, he defined the resolution in his first round. If he hadn't done that, I would have vote CON.
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