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JROTC Programs are good for Teenagers

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Started: 1/5/2011 Category: Education
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Lufo4

Pro

Hello. I am a cadet commander at a High School JROTC Program. I have done research on the opposition to such a program, to help me in recruitment. I will state why i believe these programs are good for students.
1. Provides education in subjects that can't be taught academically
a. Self-Confidence, Self-Esteem
b. Initiative
c. Leadership
d.Teamwork
2. Promotes a healthy body, mind and spirit
a. Physical Training is administered as a "platoon" or class, meaning the training is designed to provide a workout, and instill teamwork.
b. Physical Training, that is administered with more "care" than rote "stretches and games" by regulare P.E Classes, creates a healthier student, and one more confident about his/her body.
3. Provides an insight and head-start to those who have a military career in mind.
a. JROTC is taught by retired members of the military, who hold college degrees, and have experience in training as well as providing guidance to those who wish to pursue a career in the military.
b. Recruiters are aware of the instructor's knowledge of the "true" military, and are more inclined to offer the real perspective, in order to not be villified by their instructors, and lose potential recruits.
4. Provides cadets with a tightly knit friendship
a. More of a personal opinion than the rest, JROTC cadets, who are dedicated to the program form lasting bonds with their fellow cadets, that surpass, by personal experience, those from other extra-curricular activities.
b. Gives a better chance to the "shy kid"
i. The cadet is treated as an equal with platoon members of his rank, and rather than be bullied by other students for his social inequity, learns to form a bond with a platoon of strangers, and helps develop his understanding of relationships.
As part of my "Recruitment" spiel, JROTC is NOT:
1. Purely a recruitment tool
a. Recruiters often visit JROTC Units, and many students in JROTC join the Military, however, the JROTC Program itself encourages High School and College Completion, and students are rarely taught about "benefits" during class time.
2. A class to train Violent "Kiddie Soldiers".
i. The class is based on Military Structure and Training, but cadets are not forced to train with weapons or use any combat techniques. The closest to live ammunition are Air Rifle Marksmanship teams, that have a heavy focus on safety, and focus on Marksmanship Target shooting, rather than combat firing.
3. Full of Evil Instructors.
i. This one, i cannot fully defend. Although it is not a requirement, the vast majority of Instructors hold college degrees in education. However, just as with many regular teachers, there are instructors that hold severe prejudices, or have harmful inentions towards students. JROTC is not a boot camp (explained in the next point) And cadets are not taught to be soldiers, rather they are taught to be leaders, and it has happened, where some instructors cannot comprehend that, and are promptly relieved.
4. a Boot Camp, or a Discipline Tool. JROTC does not serve as a substitute for boot camp, and it is not run so. It also isn't a "dumping site" for the "troubled kids" JROTC Focuses heavily on self discipline, respect, and the Seven Army Values (Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless-Service,Honor, Integrity, Personal Courage), and while it does "churn out" well disciplined young adults, it's purpose is not to turn delinquents into model citizens. The "training" required for this is something left to Active Drill Instructors, in a setting where the trainee has no choice but to continue training, in JROTC it is a high school class, and can be dropped. (next point)
5. It's a class, it can be dropped. I still get parents, students that are afraid to joined because they feel it is a full, 4-year commitment. As with any class, at the discretion of the counselor, parents, etc. it can be dropped and replaced.
ASB

Con

The JROTC is brainwashing just like BOOTCAMP.
I WILL PROVE that my debater is brainwashed by JROTC.
The INSTUCTORS use mental hazing techniques.
I will prove that a person does not need JROTC to have a successful career in the
MILITARY and the fact that it does MORE harm than not joining JROTC.

1)INSTILL
My opponent says that JROTC provides education for a healthy body mind and spirit.
He also says that platoon training INSTILLS teamwork.

If INSTILL is the word he used, then he is brainwashed by the INSTRUCTORS.

The word INSTILL is often used in the BOOTCAMP I went to.

The word was usually put into the context of INSTILLING DISCIPLINE through PAIN.

A main saying in BOOTCAMP that we always had was that with "PAIN BRINGS DISCIPLINE".

2) HAZING

Instead of the PAIN one would go through in BOOTCAMP,
My debater says they go through GAMES... "more care than GAMES"
This means that at times, they do go through GAMES at times.

EVERYONE in the military, at least in the MARINES knows what GAMES are. They are played whenever people need to be
DISCIPLINED by INSTILLING PAIN. It is a type of HAZING used to straighten out subordinates.

MENTAL and PHYSICAL GAMES such as unnecessary running, jumping jacks, mountain climbers, etc. IS JUST like
what we did in BOOTCAMP... only in BOOTCAMP it was way more intense.

JROTC prepares a student in the hardships of BOOTCAMP.

3) JROTC is used as a Recruiting Program

To prove that my debater is brainwashed...
He says that RECRUITORS lose POTENTIAL RECRUITS because
THE INSTRUCTORS (the ones who went to college) often need to straightened out by
THE RECRUITORS (that are experienced in the military).

THIS IS VERY FAMILIAR, ENLISTED individuals are always the RECRUITORS. If you are ENLISTED,
that usually means that the person did not go to college.

COMMISSIONED OFFICERS usually are the ones that went to college, ENLISTED soldiers usually UNDERMIND the
COMMISSIONED OFFICERS behind their backs when it comes to RECRUITING INDIVIDUALS, it teaches RECRUITS
that OFFICERS know nothing about being a soldier.

Military recruiting—Veterans for Peace has campaigned against the JROTC, stating that it is merely a military recruitment program.[48] The CCCO argues that 70% of Army JROTC students that continue with Army programs enlists directly into the lowest rank of the military, Private, with many ending up worse off economically than non-veterans.

Now why would someone go to JROTC for 2 years, when going to college for one year gets you the same rank in BOOTCAMP?

In order for someone to join a branch of the military, one has to go through the branch's respective BOOTCAMP.

How does a member get a head start in a military career if it is staring them in the face and they do not take it?

4) At a Very young age, kids are taught about FRATERNIZATION:

My debater says that a cadet is treated as an EQUAL as long as you are the same RANK.

In the military, we are taught to basically be friends with your OWN KIND. Do not hang out with those that are lower
than you, because you work with them. EXCEPT for this is JROTC, they are
not working at JOBS that protect our COUNTRY.

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Debate Round No. 1
Lufo4

Pro

Lufo4 forfeited this round.
ASB

Con


I'm in the Marines, yes THE Marine Corps, and I am sure that I knew what I was talking about when I made these arguments...

vote for THE MARINE OR THE TERRORISTS WIN!!!!!!
Debate Round No. 2
Lufo4

Pro

Lufo4 forfeited this round.
ASB

Con

Vote for the Marine
Debate Round No. 3
Lufo4

Pro

Lufo4 forfeited this round.
ASB

Con

Vote for the few and the proud
Debate Round No. 4
Lufo4

Pro

Lufo4 forfeited this round.
ASB

Con

JROTC is not good for teenagers.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Cya10000 2 years ago
Cya10000
Ok so your a Marine and? You still did Training, Boot-camp and everything as JROTC can do, you just choose not to do JROTC, some schools don't have JROTC programs, but the ones who do, we choose to go. JROTC is not a Recruiting Program, that's what Recruiters are for, JROTC is a place to have fun, learn abilities that other core classes can't teach, and if you can't believe this, do you deserve to call yourself a Marine?
Posted by ASB 6 years ago
ASB
Im a Marine i never went to JROTC
Posted by Ahthatsthestuff 6 years ago
Ahthatsthestuff
ha, thats going to be tough to challenge. good luck
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