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Jack Bauer is Superior to Jason Bourne

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Started: 2/23/2011 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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TUF

Pro

I would like to argue the topic: Jack Bauer is Superior to Jason Bourne (or David Webb). This debate will be purely for fun and seeing as both are fictional characters, we will not be using fact based evidence that doesn't come from either the T.V. show, o the movie.

The intention of this debate will be for either side to prove that the character they are arguing for is better or superior to the other character for any reasons whatsoever. Superior can mean anything, from "Which guy is cooler" to "Which guy would win in a fight" or to "Which one has more resources, and better accomplishes what they want.

So basically there is alot of leeway that both debaters can argue with in this debate.
This debate is intended purely for fun, and I hope that my opponent and the viewers have fun with this debate.

For those of you who don't know either of these characters, Jack Bauer is a fictional character for a T.V. Show called '24', which started back in 2001, played by actor Kiefer Sutherland.

Jason bourne (David Webb) is from a book called 'The Bourne Identity' made in 1980, which then was made into a film in 2002, played by famous actor Matt Damon.

Both characters are deeply intelligent, and have to deal with specific constant strenuous activities in order to complete dangerous goals.

Please use the first round to accept the debate, and I will proceed with my beginning arguments in round 2. I look forward to an exciting and fun debate, and would like to thank my opponent in advance.
paddy11

Con

ok so im in favour of jason bourne ,i just wanted to ask can we use infomatin from the film/tv shows or just the books?
Debate Round No. 1
TUF

Pro

I will be arguing to support the topic claiming jack Bauer is superior to Jason Bourne.

A brief road map of my argument will be as follows: Arguments for Jack will be listed as (A) where-as arguments against Jason will be listed as (B).

A1: "Good guy"

Everyone loves a protagonist. Especially when that protagonist is a 'good guy'. Jack Bauer is a super agent, who works for the CTU (Counter Terrorism Unit), which is a branch of the government. In every season Jack is supportive of the goals that the CTU specifies. He has worked for the military, the FBI, and CSI. Among his awards and decorations are the Silver Star, the Purple Heart, and the Legion of Merit. This guy has always been supportive of the goals specific to the United States government, and in his television shows, saves many American lives.
Based on this information, I think it's safe to safe that Bauer is a good guy.

B1: "Bad guy"
In the movie series The bourne Identity, Jason Bourne is being chased by both federal government officials and criminals, in order for him to find his identity.
Bourne volunteered for Operation Treadstone, a top-secret CIA project under which he endured behavioral modification, shaping him into a malleable asset. His first test was to kill a man, after which he was informed that his transformation into Jason Bourne was complete. He initially refused to shoot the unknown man under the pretense that he wasn't given a reason why he was to do so, but after persuasion he capitulated and "killed" the subject, albeit with blanks. While working for a government program, he committed murderous crimes, even before he lost his memory. He is the protagonist of the movie, but his goals are un-supportive of what a 'good guys' goals should be.

A1 part two: Good guy/ Bad guy

Everyone loves a good guy. In every story or novel, the guy who does what is moral, is who (in the end), everybody loves significantly loves. Jack Bauer always supports his moral beliefs even before his operations, where as Jason Bourne, doesn't. Jason bourne is trained to kill in order to accomplish missions, and before losing his memory, would do it. In every season of 24 Jack Bauer always remained alive, and supportive of his office. After the last movie, it was clear that Jason Bourne may have lived, however, his predicament has not changed for the better in the slightest. Which just goes to show, that good guys always win.

My A1 argument thus proves that Bauer is superior, in that people like Jack Bauer more.

A1 part three: Ratings

Based on 38 critics, the Bourne Identity had 26 positive ratings, 11 mixed feelings ratings, and 1 negative rating.
http://www.metacritic.com...

Based on 19 critics, the T.V. Show 24 had 13 positive ratings, with only three negative, and 3 mixed ratings.
http://www.metacritic.com...

While there were more reviews for the bourne identity, the show 24 got significantly better ratings then the movie "the bourne Identity. Again showing that people like Bauer far better the Bourne.

A1 part four: Awards

Entertainment Weekly named Jack Bauer one of The 20 All Time Coolest Heroes in Pop Culture.
http://www.ew.com...

The show 24 has one over 24 awards from anonymous organizations which can be found in this source:
http://www.imdb.com...

The bourne Identity Has only gotten three acclaimed awards.
http://www.imdb.com...

People obviously like the Bauer series better than the latter.

A2: Jack Bauer is a superior combatant to Jason Bourne.

Jack Bauer has worked for almost every major military or investigation outlet of the government. This guy in literally incredible. Is training included far more facilities than acclaimed by Jason Bourne, only receiving major combat training through the central intelligence agency. I have listed all of Bauer's training above already.

A2 part two: In the show 24 Bauer is constantly moving, and granted, if lucky, only minutes of rest in his endeavors. He is constantly moving, or fighting someone in all hours of the each season. This guy is a fighting and survival machine. Each season he continues to live, and continues to do whatever it takes to accomplish his goals, no matter what trial gets in the way, he is always the first to get it handled, and makes quick time of it too. Jack Bauer is a fighting machine even when the odds are against him.

B2 Jason Bourne gets plenty of rest.

Unlike Bauer, Jason is on his own schedule. He is not employed by anyone, and all his goals are his own, not any company's. Between all his action exploits he is offered plenty of time to rest, and collect his wits in order to strategize any physically harmful attempts, where as Bauer is constantly on the move.

A3: Strategist

This argument goes along with my A2 part two, in that Jack Bauer pretty much does things as he goes. He strategizes all his moves literally on the spot, and acts accordingly with the little time given to him to do it.

B3: Jason Bourne has plenty of time to strategize all his efforts. If he were in the same situation as Bauer, how would we know he would be able to strategize on the spot nearly as much as Bauer does, when Jason only encounters a couple of times when strategizing on the spot is absolutely necessary?

A4: Experience

Bauer is not only a superior combatant, he is also more experienced. He goes through eight season (eight very crazy days) throughout the course of fifteen years.
So he is actively using military training and fighting for practically his whole life!

http://www.highdefdigest.com...

B4:
Jason Bourne's endeavors all occur within the same year. We must assume that after his problem is solved there will be no more quarrel or fight. Bauer, working for the government is always required to be using his physical capabilities, while Bourne is limited only to his short hand goals in sight.

Bauer has far more experience then Bourne.

Conclusion:

I have proved the following:
1. People like Jack Bauer better,
2. Jack Bauer is a superior fighter,
3. Jack Bauer is a a better strategist,
and finally
4. Jack Bauer is far more experienced.

All of these things in my mind, prove that Jack Bauer is a far more superior character to Jason bourne.
I now yield my time to my opponent, Thankyou :)

Alternative sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
paddy11

Con

paddy11 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
TUF

Pro

I extend all arguments. Vote pro!
paddy11

Con

paddy11 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
paddy11

Con

paddy11 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by RoyLatham 6 years ago
RoyLatham
paddy11, You should read the FAQ from the Help menu in the upper right corner of the opening page.
Posted by thiswebsiteisgay 6 years ago
thiswebsiteisgay
Both Bauer and Bourne are inferior to me. And both of you are inferior to me. How dare you even debate the merits of lesser beings in my presence.
Posted by TUF 6 years ago
TUF
Lol you can use information from both if you'd like. The rules for this debate won't be too strict :)
Posted by TUF 6 years ago
TUF
Sweet! just accept. You don't have to post an argument, we will do that in round 2 :)
Posted by paddy11 6 years ago
paddy11
how do i accept this the challenge?
Posted by paddy11 6 years ago
paddy11
ill take you up on that challenge !
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeiture. 7 points to pro... plus Jack Bauer is far superior.
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